That’s fine. I personally believe Blizzard has already tipped their hand there. Calia is an Anduin-clone character. That much is obvious. She is another Baine. Every scene they have involved her in since Before the Storm has made that beyond clear. They are not interested in having her be morally complex, she is 100% in the Alonsus Faol, Anduin, Velen, Naaru camp.
Sure she could have a complete heel-turn into a different arc altogether, become something more acceptable to the Forsaken in order to lead the Forsaken…but is that good storytelling? No setup? Just force it so that the…circle of a Menethil ruling the Forsaken/Lordaeron again is complete? History is a circle?
The Forsaken are about breaking out of old identities, about forging a new system, a new society, a new civilization. To retreat into a Menethil monarchical system the second they lose the security blanket of Sylvanas is just not good storytelling. At all.
I’ve been maining Forsaken since Vanilla. They are my favorite fantasy faction bar none. I know, frankly, an unhealthy amount about their questlines and have written paragraph length love letters about characters I’m betting you’ll have to look up like Pontius or Underhill.
And I think you’re being an insufferable prick. I call people all sorts of horrible names, especially when they disparage my beloved Forsaken, but immediately deciding their arguments are bad faith and resorting to insults not just against the Alliance but the Horde is absolutely ridiculous.
If theres one upside to this lightbright daft imbecile the Forsaken have been saddled it’s that it bothers butthurt warlock mains. Truly you’re our answer to the MHP.
I don’t disagree, but you personalize this stuff way too easily. Calm down. Don’t attack someone personally because they are pseudo-RP’ing on a nerdy story forum.
I think calia is the last thing forsaken needs atm.
She is raised by the light instead of necromancy and shadow magic, so she can never understand their pain from light magic.
Since light magic can preserve the body better, she does not need to go through suffering feeling her body rot or get eaten.
She willingly was raised, unlike a normal forsaken that was raised and was given the choice to either die again or be a servent to the forsaken society (cata and on raised ones)
She is a menithil, and abandoned her people for more then a decade or more.
I am not a hard liner either way, as I said. I do not like what they have done with her so far. But maybe they can do something interesting with her? I guess I can be a bit pollyanna sometimes. Optimistic in the face of years of the contrary.
That is also hard for me to swallow. The way she is brought back makes a mockery of being Forsaken. She is perfectly preserved, and brought back by the Alliance High King and a neutral Undead Priest.
Sylvanas at least had a similar origin as most of the Forsaken. She was slain by Arthas and the Scourge, risen to serve, and regained her will. That at least was a connection in origin to the playable Forsaken.
I dont say it is a big deal… but that doesnt preclude you being an Alliance Main. You could have 1000 days Played on an Alliance Character.
It doesnt matter much to me, personally - I can see you are at least a Forsaken Player, even if you are not a Forsaken Main. Just saying - that is not proof about who your Main is.
Well… his posts did make me laugh. Maybe it is a Warlock thing.
Velonara won me some tough garrison fights thank you very much!
Sylvanas never was in my garrison. She’d “never serve” but Velonara? She worked with me, servant leadership-style!
//Yeah your description fits and she’s not a great choice, I just tried to put in something vaguely funny.
Take my like and preach!
… it must be … I am guilty of chuckling too at the “I’m gonna make a whole lot more, too”
Sidenote - my character has race-changed at least twice because of racials - so … I guess I don’t qualify as Forsaken main, but of the racial storylines I’ve gone through, the Forsaken was my favorite (and it’s where my heart is drawn).
Just not enough for a DPS loss. Though in fairness that’s been reduced, so … nope, I’m still probably not giving up my burst CD.
You know… you are completely right. During Classic the Forsaken had a lot of cool characters lined up and the rest of the Horde had the main 3 leaders of Orcs, Tauren and Trolls.
Now its the exact opposite. The Horde characters are just absolutely gutted right now.
The only way Calia would ever work in the Forsaken narrative is if she’s there to be rejected by them, after they realize that after Sylvanas they don’t need anyone else to “save” them.
It’s a major issue. A great character is killed off, and then nothing else is lined up to replace them. This has happened a lot throughout the Horde narrative. The story for the Forsaken has leaned too heavily into Sylvanas, creating a void that otherwise should have been better propagated with characters.
She did care and mourned for those that died. When she moved to Southshore during Vanilla/Post-Third War, she stayed there until the town was attacked. She cared for those that remained and lived in the Hillsbrad province and still sympathized with those that died and were raised, but she had a daughter to raise and a husband to tend too. Is that wrong?
We don’t know if he could or couldn’t, only, she was with him for a brief period of time until the undead attacked the town. I don’t see her continuing to live her life after the proverbial apocalypse occuring. Calia Menethil doesn’t really have too many gaps except during her escape from Lordaeron and the time she spent in Southshore. We know that we don’t know much of what transpired during that time. We know that when the community was attacked Alonsus Faol saved her life and recruited her to the Conclave and help rebuild her fractured self and by the time we see her in Legion. She still is recovering, but is able to relate to her fellow Lordaeronians living and undead. Hence her appearance in the book which we never see in-game.
It seems to me like you are filling in a lot of blanks with sympathy but the fact is we know absolutely nothing about Calia other than she existed between WC3 - Legion. All of that is just fanciful headcanon.
I understand where you are coming from. It’s easily to idealize someone you want to be good, and so far she has lived up to that expectation, but we really know nothing about her or her life. She is virtually a new character since Legion, one that hasn’t really been expanded on outside of flimsy implication.
She was officially thought to have perished on the day Arthas murdered their father,[11] however, she survived. She hid in a muddy trench for two days to avoid slavering ghouls as they prowled for her, and presumably, her mind being driven towards survival is why she doesn’t remember much of that harrowing time.
Eventually, Calia made her way to Southshore, where her husband and child had been hidden away and were safe from the Scourge, and tearfully reunited with her beloved family. With everyone assuming she was dead she lived there in secret with her family for some time until the town was attacked by blight. The three fled along with the rest of the town, but Calia was once again separated from her family in the crowd. Screaming their names in the middle of the street, a man pulled her onto his horse and galloped past the town limits barely in time, and she joined a cluster of refugees in the forest. She prayed she’d be one of those that would be reunited with their loved ones, but this time she never saw them again, not knowing their fate.
At some point, while escaping from mindless undead, Calia stumbled upon one who was still sane and who she recognized. Alonsus Faol, who was a Forsaken, showed her that not all undead had lost their minds and there were some who still were themselves even after death. This made her understand that the Forsaken and the Scourge were two separate entities, with the former still deserving of dignity and compassion. That gave her the chance to move through her shock and pain to a place of healing. Seeing the Forsaken as her old friends still living, she hoped that if her family had been killed by the undead and raised, they would live on as Forsaken instead of mindless Scourge.[7][8]"
This was literally a page in Before the Storm in BFA. I know I read the book. This was her own recollection that she recalled to a Forsaken woman, which may or may not even be true https://www.wowhead.com/item=166892/the-would-be-queen.
Other than a coin that was fished up in the Dalaran fountain in WoLK, (which suggests Calia was in love with Daval Prestor). Calia was just a ghost.
That’s not the fault of Calia Menethil, but of Blizzard tabling her until Legion. You’re asking for more details that have yet to be provided by the developers. We can only infer from what knowledge we can gather from Before the Storm and the coin from Dalaran was when she and her father were under the sway of Deathwing.
It’s very possible that the narrative around Calia shifted and may be continuing to shift, and that’s why I’ve decided not to put any faith in Calia just yet. I feel like she’s just a smoke screen.
Calia has the strongest lore ties to the Scarlet Crusade and the Twlight Cultists and neither of those factions are good news to be tied to, especially for the Forsaken. I just hope you don’t get your hopes up too high.
we have two conflicting narratives here.
Narrative 1: Calia ran away from royal obligation and married a common foot soldier, moved to Southshore, somehow managed to survive her brother’s Scourge invasion. hid with the Scarlet Crusade for 20+ years and now suddenly wants to reconnect with her people, and reclaim Lordaeron.
Narrative 2: Calia fell in love with Daval Prestor, had his legitimate son, went into hiding and rasied that son for 20+ years under the protection of the Twilight’s Hammer, resurfaced right before N’Zoth was released from his prison, was killed and made undead, and put in a position to reclaim Lordaeron.
It’s Schrödinger’s Menethil, she can be both of these things simultaneously. We won’t know until we open this box. That’s kind of the fun of lore being a mystery.
