Well its more like the writers broke them and now they are putting them back together. If Forsaken go back to their cata days then its just compounding on the same old problem. Like even if Calia was gone thats what they would be doing no? Human experiments? Nope. Throwing blight everywhere? Nope, aggressive expansion outside of their borders? doubtful.
Blizzard is going to make them sit and be good boys and girls while we try to forget BFA happened.
I really don’t want to see BFA forgotten - the events at the tree were terrible from an in game canon lore perspective. It is a legacy that should not be easy to shake. All the same, it is a classic case of bad writing under Alex putting a lot of content into a corner.
Oh I agree and I would love to do or see tons of things that directly correlates and expands the consequences of these things. But thats too much effort for Blizzard, they put out 30 minutes of story content every 6 months. So they are going to stick Calia somewhere and say “She is why Forsaken are good now” but even if Calia wasn’t there Forsaken would still be good kids for couple years and expansions until Sylvanas returns.
This is Blizzard’s way of putting the Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Go back to Vanilla-WotLK.
Hey, here’s a compromise, they can experiment on Calia! She can selflessly serve her people after putting to bed all doubts about the legitimacy of their claim to Lordaeron.
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So Horde is still evil and they never learn is what Blizzard should do to fix the situation?
The full reality of that tree burning is the stuff that honestly should not be put to paper. Frankly, I don’t know how many Forsaken after having dealt with the Scouring and events at Stratholme could have easily stomached burning the tree. The staggering amount of innocent lives…for…what?
The tree burning was …bad writing. All the same it is here, and we need to move through the lore with the full weight of that in the story. How Blizzard handles it, remains to be seen.
Alas, they over fixation on faction leader = faction lroe means we prolly won’t see anything happen with it. Sylv and Ty handled it between them, and so the rest of the depth of lore will be brushed aside most likely.
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Sure, if it means Vanilla-WotLK era writing, absolutely.
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Please and thank you.
Ugh so another 3 cinematic of Thrall struggling with the Horde identity 
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Saurfang, to Anduin: I hoped you would kill Sylvanas because I’m too depressed to do it.
Saurfang, one day later, to Thrall: WHY WON’T YOU FIGHT TO SAVE THE HORDE YOU HIDING COWARD, ZUG ZUG, I WANT TO DIE I JUST WANT TO DIE!!!
Thrall: I WILL NEVER LEAD THE HORDE AGAIN YOU’RE NOT MY DAD!!! MOMMY! MOMMYYYYY!!! throws axe
Also Thrall: stops Zekhan from interrupting Anduin’s Daddy Issues Parade again
… Warcraft!
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Another 3 expansions of Org not even having chairs.
Will Thrall finally elope with Jaina and go live on a farm somewhere?
Due to sanctions the Horde will never sit comfortably ever again.
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No he just sits in the council chamber ugly-crying every second of every day.
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#chairsforthehorde
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I don’t think that’s significant. Don’t all Naaru have a void state? And it’s not like Saa’ra rezzed Calia singlehanded; Anduin and Alonsus Faol had to participate too. I’m really not expecting to see any shadow themes from Calia going forward.
That’s mostly Benedikt. Lillian Voss is one of his favorite characters.
And how does any of that demonstrate that she cares deeply about the people of Lordaeron?
You don’t think breaking the “contract” of what the players thought they were getting when they rolled Forsaken is a problem? Because I think it’s a big problem.
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We have already outlined several canon lore quotes and more in this thread that define and demonstrate that Calia cares for the Forsaken.
Moving forward, I hope they inject shadow into her story because it belongs there.
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All the quotes are from Before the Storm. I’m talking about before then. As Kagehiro said above…
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They’re all footnotes though, and none of them have anywhere near the narrative oomph or personality power their predecessors did. Sylvanas, Varimathras, Putress, Nathanos… those guys were the awesome Forsaken characters, and every single one of them is gone. Velonara? Nicer, knockoff Sylvanas with a blurb’s worth of lore. Faranell? The wrong guy did the Wrathgate; give me Putress back. Voss? She’s been in the Horde only slightly longer than Calia has. Belmont? Darnell? Mortuus? Nobodies that made you smile fifty levels ago.
I despise the form they brought Calia back in but I can appreciate why she’s the character they’re building up to take over. The Forsaken lost something absolutely staggering when Sylvanas abandoned them, and have been a race without a head or a tail ever since. Will the edgier Forsaken players weep if their future draws less from Sylvanas’ legacy as the “evil plague guys” and more from Calia’s “undead people of Lordaeron” shtick? Probably. But I firmly believe a direction is better than no direction.
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Every character is a footnote until Blizzard invests in developing them. Calia was a footnote 3rd rate background character only ever mentioned in novels for most of Warcraft’s history. Calia is literally proof that Blizzard could make Belmont or Helcular just as important if they chose to do so.
The real problem is that Blizzard cannot elevate one of the actual Forsaken characters to high status because the generic Forsaken model is…problematic… and they could never feature a Forsaken character the way they do Thrall, Sylvanas, etc in big budget cinematics and marketing. Hence Sylvanas, Nathanos, Calia all being atypical. I genuinely believe this is one of the limitations that they have in choosing a replacement for Sylvanas…censorship basically.
Having every racial leader be a peace-loving, light-worshiping, pacifist who only wants to heal and doesn’t have any other motivation is…B O R I N G. You have to have a Sylvanas for every Anduin. You have to have a Gallywix for every Baine. The more you homogenize every race the more boring the lore becomes. The Forsaken are truly one of the most original fantasy races/societies/civilizations in all of media and undoing all of that just to put a Menethil on a throne that no longer exists is psychotic.
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These are really valid points, and I agree with you.
Having a leader that is willing to shake things up in counter to the peacekeepers keeps the narrative interesting. -IF- Calia ends up being a shallow peace loving character without a spine, it will be a major failure on the potential for good lore and story. Calia has a lot of potential in the narrative in many different directions, which we have to wait and see. At this time we do not know what kind of leader she could be in theory, we can only spitball vague ideas.
That is even if she ends up as a faction leader. In theory Calia could show up, and tell the Forsaken that they should never follow any leader ever again and establish an anarchy state that’s full on Mad Maxx in the north. The Forsaken deserve depths to their pain, but can’t see them suddenly being soft and limp under -any- leader.
The Forsaken and many other factions suffer from faction leader worship, with the majority of stories written about a central figure. This is having a collateral effect on the narrative moving forward…a primary example being Calia.