I’ve already put my energy elsewhere. You’ll never succeed with high maintenance personalities like that.
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i think some people want the advantage of crushing the poor.
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fresh still progresses, it just does so from the beginning, like games where you restart your original progress, lose almost everything except your experience and knowledge, in exchange for a bonus -in this case the bonus is outlands and the prospect it wont include the accumulation of 2 years of gold, it wont include blizz boost and it wont include transfers. better odds that the outlands experience will be more equitable
No. It’s its call for Connected Realms because of the many servers (thanks to you guys) being dead come perma and now we have all of these servers to connect. More servers than Classic to “make alive again”.
I’m not even high maintanence. I’m one of the few in favor for dead perma realms.
And, that’s just not what the Majority wants. They want to bring their gold, characters, mounts, etc. over into BC.
they dont have to roll on a fresh server. fresh is for people who want fresh
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FNB (fresh no boost) server WTB
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IK that. You’re trying to argue “fresh” is progression, when it’s not. There’s a reason why it’s called “fresh”, and nobody says progression servers to mean “fresh”.
Also, a “fresh” server can still be “fresh” even with a Level 58 boost. I’m just saying.
I (too) am in favor for disabling the Level 58 Boost for the non-fresh servers, as well.
There’s a lot of unity in that.
ITT: Gaslighting.
Nope it cannot be a fresh server with a boost that would be so stupid.
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of course it is. its still progressing from classic to tbc. they arent asking for fresh classic by itself.
This is going to happen regardless in my opinion. Especially with how Blizzard has decided to roll TBC and Classic Era servers out.
My suggestion to avoid this was to have the fresh servers we’re asking for to be consolidated into the “Era” servers for the expansion they were released in and allowing people to transfer to low pop progression servers for the next expansion.
A dead server community that began as a newly created TBC server, that only contains players that only subscribed and stayed subscribed because of that server, has no impact on other dead server communities.
Just as I explained it will have no impact of these servers while they’re active and enjoying TBC phased content.
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Would a fresh server split the “community”? Possibly.
But I don’t see this as necessarily a bad thing. Those who seek the fresh new start and are more interested in the journey than in getting to the end as soon as possible will begin again on the fresh servers.
Those who want to progress and get to the end game as quickly as they can with their fully leveled alts and/or boosted characters will still be able to do so. Each type of player gets what they want and gets to play with people who also want the same thing. So, while it may lessen the two different player communities it would also help solidify them in a way.
Seems win-win to me. 
Thanks.
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Yeah, you do that a lot.
Yes, a “fresh” server can still be “fresh” even with the Level 58 Boost. Because it’s a feature not a product of stagnated servers.
It’s not, when “fresh” disables the transition of those Classic characters, gold, mounts, etc. Nobody is progressing, anything except just starting over.
Right.
And, I agree with your deduction, logic and reasoning.
But because I said it, and the target of being bullied, that train of thought was considered a “conspiracy theory” 
I’m sorry, could you reword that better, so I can better understand? It didn’t quite hit the mark, for me.
Yes, it does, when it calls for Connected Realms.
We can agree to disagree.
I do. When they become perma servers, dead, and connected realms get turned kind of makes the whole argument of “building a server community” moot.
Lol bless your heart. If only this were true.
You’re welcome 
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Pretty sure you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point but I’ll expand on my earlier post if you’re interested in understanding my reasoning.
Here are the things I believe new servers would address for me:
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Amount of characters at level 60 prior to tbc launch - At present,the two pvp server options we have in OCE both have level 60 populations of over 4000 that have raid logged in the last fortnight. That’s a huge amount of people to dump into Outland in one go, the economy is established, many players will have alts with max level professions etc
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Overall server population - as above, the server pops are both massive compared to tbc levels
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Amount of players levelling during pre-patch and launch - Most of the levelling zones below level 50 are pretty much empty and the only dungeon groups going are paid runs with level 60’s. This would not be the case if the server was levelling up from scratch.
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Gold in circulation at launch - There are obviously going to be bots and farmers on any server, new or not however, they still have to level up and farm the gold, and the AH will not be jam packed with farmed goods as most people will be levelling
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Average gearing level of 60’s at launch - For a returning or new player, entering Outland on an established pvp server with several thousand raid geared 60’s is going to be miserable
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Increased community interaction for new/returning players - Levelling up on a new server offers a unique chance to meet new people and form friendships and guilds that’s markedly different to levelling up in dead zones where the only people you come across are farmers and alts who are already guilded
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Staggered entry of players into Outland as opposed to several thousand geared 60’s all hitting hellfire the minute it opens - This is quite a big one imo. There are of course going to be people on all servers that no life it all the way to 70 in the first couple of days but on a new server, there aren’t going to be thousands of people waiting at the Dark Portal for it to open. People will be levelling at different rates and there would be a steady flow into Outland over a month or two.
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Amount of people who will get epic flying within days of launch - There is a hectic amount of gold in circulation on existing servers that would not be in circulation on a new server by the time tbc drops. I have no doubt that in future, there’ll be people that will amass those funds again, but there won’t immediately be several hundred 70’s divebombing everyone and strip farming on epic flying mounts days after launch.
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Amount of characters with max level professions - mentioned already but it’s an important point. Depending on when a hypothetical new server is opened, it’s unlikely that the majority of the population would have a single level 60 character with maxed professions which is great for levelling players and for the economy until everyone has levelled up alts again which is months down the track.
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of course they are. they’re going from only classic vanilla, to classic tbc. progressing from azeroth to outlands. if i decide to make a new char for tbc and play it from level 1, but it eventually has enough levels to progress to outlands, and so it progresses to outlands, its progressing. i could do that same thing on non fresh servers, that you think are the only ones progressing lol
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I’ll try haha.
When the pre patch launches, Blizzard will be releasing Classic Era servers, which are just a mirror of the current servers we have now meaning there will be just as many Classic Era servers as TBC servers.
I think that’ll lead to many dead Classic Era servers and that they should of just decided to consolidate the people who want to stay in Classic to a handful of new Classic servers.
To avoid havkng so many dead realms when the time comes to move on to Wrath, my suggestion is to turn the fresh TBC servers we are asking for into the handful of dedicated “TBC Era servers”.
No, I’m not. There’s a difference between leaving my server and splitting the community. One is leaving the server, and the other splits the community so thin because of all of these wonderful clogs of servers that weren’t necessary.
And, here’s what I believe NEW Servers do to me. They split the community so thin, when it’s perma server time resulting in connected realms and server identity becomes lost.
That server community you were preaching to me about is gone by the time connected realms hit.
Got it, you want to play semantics. Now that’s arguing for the sake of arguing lol
Call it what you want. When I address “fresh”, I won’t be calling them progression servers
You’re right! So, why not do it over there?
Gotcha. With the way Blizz wants to counter duplicate names, I don’t really see that happening.
See how easy that was? What a pleasant conversation, thank you
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and the fact it took 2 years to accumulate that much gold/gear/prof mats/economy busting items, vs. the fact it will take alot less time to get to outlands and as a result, instead of 200k gold hoards, it’ll be more reasonable amounts
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They’re the same thing. If someone leaves your server, they are no longer part of your server community.
Love how you just ignored every single point I made in favour of new servers too. Please talk more about compromise.
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