Okay so let’s go one step deeper since you said no to all of my questions.
All I know is, I tried to install FF14 and after I installed it, my firefox automatically opened went to a Furry-erotic website.
Donno what that means. I uninstalled it right away and never looked back.
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Depends. The group leader has the right to invite and kick. That is all. Making suggestion as a group as a whole is showing respect. Pointing people out and saying to do something, Telling another player what to do or how to play. That is not your place to do. Just because it is your group does not give you the right to tell me what I need to do. Even if I am not doing it right.
Okay final question. I think I’ve cleared the contradiction. You believe groups SHOULD kill bosses and complete content and you believe it is okay for people to suggest tactics but only if
Because based on what I’ve read it sounds as though you want to pug successfully but don’t want to be progressing. What I mean by progressing is, you don’t want groups that are struggling and wiping (because you won’t clear the content) instead you want groups that show up and kill on their first attempt.
But the contradiction here is that if no one teaches and it’s a new expansion… You won’t get that. You’re gonna be in a lot of groups that die to heroic dungeons or worse. You’ll be a toxic elitist who leaves the group because the others aren’t winning.
Edit: can you tell me what country you’re from. That’s an interesting look at respect.
Maybe you would meet more people if you git gud.
Your sickness is not doing a lot to reinforce your primary argument.
this is ridiculous
if the boss mechanic mandates that something be dispelled, and the priest isn’t dispelling it, the group leader saying “hey priest, you need to dispel X” is 100% not in the wrong.
the priest throwing a 5 year old quality temper tantrum “DON’T TELL ME HOW TO PLAAYYYYYYY” is the person in the wrong, and frankly, the game would be better if that person never queued for any type of group content.
in the above scenario, the priest is the one being a disrespectful, entitled jerk and deserves a swift kick out of any and every group in which he acts like that.
if you think ffxiv is a less garbage environment I don’t know what to tell you except that my experiences do not align with yours. Both are toxic waste dumps that will rake you across the coals without 1000% knowledge on every boss/mob/mechanic unless you’re in a group of friends and can just kick the person throwing shade. At least wow can be played without being forced into dungeons/trials if you are not a fan of grouping, while ffxiv it starts at lvl 15 and doesn’t stop, ever. I am handicapped and ppl are not very tolerant of anything that will slow their runs by a few seconds in either game so, it’s just a different brand of toxic waste, tbh
There’s plenty of maladjusted 40 year olds running around in this game. I don’t think age has anything to do with it.
People join the group to use each other for loot or to get something done that is a giving.
However, when someone is failing pointing it out is not my job. I can make suggestion and talk as a group as a whole. Like what we need to do is this and this. But pointing out one person even if it is them holding back is disrespectful, and said person does not have to listen to me.
That key part matters. GG after a match vs GG noobs. Even if it is your fault. My husband had to learn this the hard way, and now that he does things like this. He finds that his groups get done more, and people get less sour.
FFXIV doesn’t have a better community. It’s just super toxic-positive.
You’d be amazed what happens when you hold a gun to your player’s heads and tell them “play nice or else.”. They’ll become the most passive aggressive, lazy people you’ll ever meet. That doesn’t go for the whole community mind you, but when we keep wiping to a easy boss because Timmy doesn’t understand and if you even try and tell him how will result in a possible ban, well, people get a bit bitter.
I have noticed that people are more tolerant of those that are learning the game in FF14, and also much more willing to help without making a snarky comment first. I think the only reason I still play WoW is because I’ve played since March of '05. If I had started playing any later, say near the end of Wrath or beginning of MoP, I would have quit 6 years ago without ever looking back.
The only complaint I have with FF14 is that it is too cartoony for my taste, other than that, it is an overall better game and community. And yes, I have a sub for both WoW and FF14, although my WoW sub is going to expire in just over 3 weeks . . .
Semper Fi! 
Frankly I find your husband irrelevant to this story. Because I have had significant success in real life and in the game teaching to individuals that need it most instead of just teaching to the group.
I agree it is a given people join pugs to get loot or get something done. I don’t think anyone could argue that to be false unless you are worried about the outlier class of people who join a group to ruin the run for others.
I have no problem with you viewing teaching different than me. I only taught math for a few years. The problem I have is you keep asserting something that is not traditionally viewed as disrespectful is being disrespectful. Now I think we both agree that the more sensitive players in the world would rather never be called out by name or have their failings pointed out. I think we can both agree that when a group fails it is better if someone steps forward and mentions what went wrong and what should change to make it go right. Obviously we disagree about how much detail to use when talking about what to change but the question I NEED answered from you so I can leave this thread with a sense of completeness is:
What country are you ( or your family if you are from the United State of America) from that taught you pointing out the errors of the individual is disrespectful instead of a teachable moment?
My problem is that you can’t take a look at the community itself, and see why it is disrespectful. We see it on the forums, how classic turned out. The player base as a whole. The way players get treated in this game as hyper competitive with each other, and we got a big part of the community who lives off drama thinking that what makes the game fun.
If you taught classes, it would be like this. One class you go to, you know is a higher quality. The kids listen, and you can be more relax. They respect you more. The other class, people act out, they don’t care about the lessons, and you got to work harder just to get them to pay attention.
That second class is wow. It always has been. This amazing community people talk about, It never was compare to other mmorpgs. We had players protesting and crashing servers over nerfs. The history of the game, and the players who play it.
So when another mmorpg who is top dog right now, enforces rules and has a community who follows the same guidelines of speaking as a group as a whole, and not to players themselves as it is disrespectful. It pays off. They have a better community.
I’ve never been to any country where learning and being taught is frowned upon
That’s just lazy people wanting to sit in their mediocrity as others carry their dead weight without being called on it.
They’re mentally weak
Hey shush you. I really wanna know where they teach this. Don’t scare her off. Maybe she just took their " look not to the individual but only look towards the group" ideology too far if that’s the case I have a few asian guesses.
So you quoted me mentioning your husband was irrelevant and based on your response I think I wasn’t clear. I am saying you brought up an anecdote (husband) so I brought up an anecdote (my time teaching). I was not making a metaphor. I just wanted to cancel your anecdote with mine so we could focus on the true point of my last comment to you
Where are you/your family from?
On a side note, not sure if you meant "you kardust specifically can’t take a look at the community " or the more general “you” as in hard to judge a whole community based on the little info we individual players have.
I don’t see a lot of drama in game when I play it’s most of the reason i come to the forums. Here we have hot takes and logical arguments to be made.
As for your school metaphor I don’t think it holds water. A classroom is such a small sample of course you could have an all good class but if you think the FF community now is all good you are optimistic. Ive played a little FF didn’t push hard content but I’m fairly certain there is no rule banning telling someone “Hey khaelyn you need to dodge that laser”. There is a rule banning people for saying “hey khaelyn you only healed 3k per second you need to pump those numbers up”. I think you are adding more depth to the rules than intended.
You are going under the assumption I am talking about all.
Most Ive seen talk against communicating gave ages to pin them as middle aged and majority age of this player base is in the older bracket so just a general assumption.
My group in FFXIV got blamed for failure by a tank that was playing the whole dungeon in the wrong stance. It is definitely not more friendly nor better than the WoW community.
What is true there is true here. Most experiences are fine. But you will come across the occasional drama.