A concerning parallel between Shadowlands and Wrath Classic

I have been playing WoW since 2004, I’ve seen the rise and fall and have been through the ups and downs. It’s no secret that shadowlands was not well received, and the primary cause of this was the refusal to listen to the player base when they pointed out issues with the beta. A large portion of the player base both at the “hardcore” and “casual” levels of the community knew that being locked into a covenant was just flat out a bad idea. Blizzard didn’t listen, they wanted to stick to their philosophy and it cost them greatly.

Now we’re here. Seemingly in the same exact situation where Blizzard is being stubborn with LFD that, as you can tell on the forums, trade chats, reddit etc., is still a hot topic. The discussion is clearly not over, and it feels like the community is just being completely backhanded for speaking our mind.

Please don’t make the same mistake, at least throw it to the players, give us a chance to vote.

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Yea wotlk in shambles over a player’s method of forming a group… /yawn

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I wouldn’t mind LFD but I genuinely haven’t seen anybody outside of the forums ask for it.

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It’s like they had this crystal ball to glean the future or something?

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I agree entirely. What is worse is they are now removing threads based on RDF. My thread on RDF has been flagged as SPAM. Absolutely no way I am going to fork over $50 or $60 for Dragon Flight for a company that does not value my opinions on their forums.

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Haven’t logged into the game, been on youtube, watched a stream… etc?

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Just wait, Bloomsday is going to come in talking about, “record profits” as if that means Shadowlands isn’t a dumpster fire.

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If it’s your friends quitting over the issues then yes, it would seem that way.

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He wouldn’t necessarily be wrong.

I’ve certainly been vocal about how much I dislike Retail, but the copium of “Retail’s totally failing you guys!” gets pretty boring after a while. Facts are the Retail expansions have continued to sell and have high numbers of active subs, but we all love to compare it to the critical mass that was WotLK and call it a failure for not hitting those impossible heights again.

Blizzard could have made a better and more successful game.

But they didn’t.

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He wouldn’t be wrong. Activision has been very good about monetizing the game. Sub counts might not be where Wrath was, but they are making a crap ton more money. They finally did get to the point (shadowlands) where people legit revoted and they have responded with “yea, we get it” and are trying to take dragonlands in a different direction.

says a lot about your “friends” m8

I think it’d be a lot worse if they felt obligated to keep playing a game they’re not interested in any longer.

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What does it say about them?

Seriously?

Quit! If you don’t like it, quit, and bring all those who care about Dungeon Finder with you. Show them!

I was personally not really on either side until so many threads about people complaining about lack of “RDF” hit the forums day after day, and now I am very anti-RDF, because I’m sick on the complainers.

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You wouldn’t have liked it very much if LFR was implemented during vanilla classic on account of me.

Would have been heaven for me if such a thing could have existed, along with a few other additions from retail.

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Exactly. I can play (and do play) Retail whenever I want, especially if I want such convenience features.

That is exactly the opposite of the reason why I play Classic. I am of the opinion of keeping Classic Classic, and not Retail. We have both, so no reason to make them converge.

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If you were here since 2004 you saw the flying fiasco. The one where blizzard said they knew the majority wanted flying but were going to try to kill it anyways, and lied about being able to reenable it on the flip of a dime if their ideas didn’t work out. Then when their ideas didn’t work out it turned out they lied and they couldn’t/wouldn’t just reenable flying. And then did so in a super passive aggressive way.

Yeah that’s how classic is now being treated.

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I play classic over retail because of actual game play mechanics and the game world, not because of optional QoL features.

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Such as Dungeon Finder?