https://imgur.com/a/Cx74yVn
JV 147k Crit
Divine Arbiter 70k
Auto Divine Storm 102k crit.
Probably hit for 60-100k FR just before that.
“Stacking modifiers: There were many several talents and abilities that provided small stacking bonuses, which we believe made for a confusing and unpredictable playstyle. This led to periods of extreme burst damage…**”
Time to get to work Blizz.
Yeah solo queue is all ret pallys freakin fotm players
I do adore the core changes making Crusader strike feel amazing to play but I can see the sustain taking a hit, slightly higher 8 second ICD on the Flash heal
And definitely not letting 2 finishers slap together with a fat proc.
320k damage in one button press is too much.
Not just this but it’s super easy to get off. Literally just FR with wings , on the perfect 1 min Cd.
This is exactly what blizzard needs to reduce……. All the stacking modifiers. While it can be fun and more of a challenge this is where we end up. Wonky cheese mechanics that cause our spec to get nerfed…… besides that the new iterations seems to be a slight upgrade and more fluid……only if they don’t knee jerk too much on the incoming nerf bat.
Yeah stacking mods is the biggest issue. Arms is testament to this.
They nerf the wrong stuff.
nothing wrong with ret while wings is down minus their passive sustain atm.
Doing 15-35k damage a global.
problem is, FR 100k->WOMP 320k follow up ded.
Post your screenshot because I dont believe this. First of all that is a jv hit already hard to believe.
2. Everything crit is a very rare sight, in my warrior (that is more prone to crit far more often than ret) if my warrior crits on all spells you get one shot.
Pre rework you could also get these numbers with all crits and it was no longer a problem.
Post on your ret too so I can see a fellow paladin or maybe its someone else? An imposter?
Tu further elaborate:
-Fr is already nerfed to 15% in pvp combat, you want it down to 10?
-I already said this a million times but dawn should not stack, move some of that damage to 1 stack and done.
-vanguard of justice is absolutely required and one of the reasons ret actually hurts. At 4 is awkward to play so Id say again move some of that to the base spells and remove voj. No voj fv hits a wet noddle.
it literally won’t let me post the screenshot, not even an imgur.
These are only 2 crits with wings and fair gear you’ve a 40% shot so it’s a common raise.
I’m a warr out of D stance.
Mastery and crit stacked Duelist Ret.
You could have 80% and get no crits, we olayed with avenging wrath might since sl started and these “one off” cases of everything crit is not evidence. Because I di have ss of dhs, warriors, enhancements, rogues, ferals one tapping me with 3 back to back crits.
Problem is,
those 170k MS’ people complained about required 2x OP, 2x Execute [somehow getting lucky on sudden death], Colossus Smash, Spear of bastion, Pop Avatar+Trinket.
Hope for 35% crit.
The ease of this with current talents:
Judge, Stun, JR+Wings+On use Trinket [all on same 1min cd], JV
It’s an unga bunga that is up every minute and can be done several times in that minute minus Divine Artiber which takes some buildup.
See you confirmed you dont actuslly play ret. Funny part is I play both arms and ret and the arms burst is up every 25s. 2 overpowers sharpen colossus smash fatal mark sudden death bladestorm unhinged and that didnt even use avatar spear for real one shot potential. You are not fooling anyone saying that arms has no burst when they have every tool in the book offensive and defensive.
You dont play ret you dont know what you have to do to get those numbers. This is df launch complains all over again. You just watch ret stack one after another buff and you do nothing. Every single hit you got appears as a buff on the ret, both dawn stacks, divine arbiter, divine purpose. Spell reflect the hoj, d stance ignore pain rally impending nothing happens to you.
Again what do you suggest should change? What talent should be nerfed?
Divine arbiter, empyrean legacy + inquisitor’s ire and vanguard of justice are real problematic. Ret is definitely overtuned lol.
Dawg. I’ma be real with you.
You’re capitalizing on fact I can’t post screenshots on here cause Blizz wants me to read 200,000 posts before I can just post simple evidence so you denounce me with skepticism to rationalize 320k on 1 button hit with only 2 prior GCD’s [Judgment FR].
I spent half the day wailing on a dummy on my honor geared Ret not getting near these numbers but learned -how- to get them.
I was doing fine in a match at 300k+ hp, then died
320k damage, from one JV with auto procs tacked on and only 2 crits.
There’s no way to reationalize that amount of damage that is just one global from a hit that needs just judgment can be pumped out in a 15 second FR window, every minute.
It is not overtuned because we went bsck to square one. But agree changes should come. I was promised higher sustain and I cant do damage outside of those windows and require wasting hp and other degenerate gameplay like holding judsgement.
Have you tried playing without vanguard of justice? Yea ret does no damage without it and its clunky as hell at 4. Ire empyrean is already limited by not being on their faces because against ranged they never connect. The ops numbers dont happen ever 20 seconds
I don’t disagree with this, it feels REALLY bad rotationally and I absolutely despise it. But ye, there’s definitely some problems and holding judgment is real grody. Just merely stating there’s some issues.
CD/talent stacking needs to be nerfed and not just for ret.
JV can hit from 30k outside of wings
to 320k on me in a stun with 1 min cd’s
Wings+Use Trinket+FR+Judgment+Empyrean Legacy+Divine Arbiter+Vanguard of Justice.
Not taking. Vanguard of Justice will only nerf this damage by 25% for the 147k JV crit. Still like 280k on a button press.
But also be 1 HP less.
I mean that’s the silly thing, the modifiers previously weren’t hard, all you had to do was the correct button combination for 10s every minute to do near optimal damage.
All they did was change the system so that instead of pressing those buttons, the spec passively loads all the modifiers for you making it even easier with not much change lol.
Such a weird “change”.
Divine Arbiter is not overtuned. 25 stacks to get a 45k unmodified non-crittable damage spike is NOT OP. Blessed Champion does not generate extra Holy Strike hits, so you cant AoE cleave DA stacks. 70k damage on DA means he hit that on you with Wings:Might and Final Reckoning debuff on you (if the % modifiers are additive) or it hit you twice. That is 50% more damage on a 1min CD. Since this seems like pvp since its JV, hammer of wrath bonus hammers generate huge stacks in 5v5 compared to 3v3. JV also doesn’t refresh the cd on HoW, so thats more of a detriment to your story. Also vers should be more prevalent, so you should be taking less damage unless you are undergeared.
This is even more ridiculous if VoJ is chosen, as it takes 4 HoPo to activate. While yes it does more damage, claiming they cast JV back to back is impossible.
I only play PvE, however at 411 ilvl ,the best single TV (which is stronger that JV without the stun and using JoV) I can get is a 195 crit with a Wings:Might and a Final Reckoning debuff, with a 67k DA free cast. If I were using JV and had you stunned, that would be 226k crit. So 293k all together at my best, with absolutely 0 defensive modifiers from you. If he were to cast that again, he would need to cast Judgment with+HoPo and BoJ HoPo, and TV/JV and crit AGAIN. At a 35-45% crit rate with Wrath Might, the odds are in your favor but only slightly. There is no possibility of getting a second DA in that time frame.
So, unless you are running around in PVP with 0 vers, something doesn’t add up to me.
*The Divine Storm is what didn’t add up to me. Empyreans Legacy is adding the extra Divine Storm on free cast auto every 20 sec.
If they were to change that so it casted on Divine Storm instead of single target it would be survivable.
Also, if you aren’t already, you really need to be using Fading Light of the Dusk and Dawn talents. That builds up to a 100k passive shield.
They actually can with DP lul. Trying to deny ret is busted is a bit fried atm.
DP is a tooltip 10% chance, but is testing at a much lower proc rate. This isn’t something that will happen often, and doesn’t represent an immediate call for nerfs.
Sure, but even without it ret damage is completely overtuned along with everything else in pvp lol. They can apply pvp specific nerfs you know.