Maybe they should create compelling new transmog sets for ratings instead of simple re-skins. New mounts, new titles, etc.
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It’s not a hopeless cause. WOD is the example. MOP is an example. To a lesser extenet BC/Wrath/Cata all had better pvp systems than BFA/Shadowlands. They’ve done it right before. All people are asking is for them to do it again. But as Revo said it’s all strawman arguments, so i’m done with you.
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PvE gear dominated expansions mostly, perhaps except cata. Is it what you like? farming raids for arena? For your information, tbc will come soon, go and take a look at one of those “better PvP systems” personally, you have the option.
I am done with you too, someone who can’t catch a shaman in 2s as Arms-HolyPala team, keep whining about gear, perhaps you can catch shamans when you both have 250 ilvl, it will surely change your destiny.
You’re feeding the troll.
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Legion templates had their flaws. BfA scaling also had flaws.
The two systems could’ve worked had they been fine tuned and implemented better. A major complaint about templates was the lack of customization and feeling of lack of progression.
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Good, I like how you approach this. Now, what you need to understand from this? All systems has flaws, there is no flawless system.
Ah yes, everything is flawed, therefore lets all completely give up and never try to improve on anything.
-forumgodx logic
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Very short, to the point, a little bit on the short end, but altogether came together in a small package. Napoleon would be proud.
At least this system’s flaw is people who are bad at the game. Unlike other ones. It can be solved by diminishing whiner numbers and turning them to determined players, which takes time.
That is true except the best gear system they’ve implemented was in WoD.
The flaw with WoD gearing was that it created a barrier for entry for PvE players into PvP and it made gearing fresh alts in PvP a challenge.
Blizzard added templates because they thought it was the solution to these problems.
With their recent changes, they want PvE players to be able to PvP without needing a different set of gear and they want PvE gear to be superior in PvE.
I think they need to just separate the two completely and have PvP gear with PvP stats that is better in PvP
Locking ilvl upgrade behind rating is an absolute garbage for the PVP games. I have a duelist ret paladin and it can kill many combatant or lower rating players in a few secs. Combining the gear advantages and broken meta classes, pvp becomes garbage. I just don’t encourage locking ilvl upgrade behind rating in pvp. I just hope PVP devs realize that gear disparity is a huge problem in pvp.
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Who said that was the only issue? It’s one of the issues though.
Torghast takes like 1 hour a week. Renown grind also takes two weeks max thanks to time gating. Finding arena partners has never been an issue for me.
Again… Always been an issue. Every single flippin expansion, season 1 is a gong show.
Again this isn’t the only scapegoat 
people complain about it all if you pay attention. This is just a very easy fix (aka wod gearing) that people are annoyed with because Blizzard said they were bringing back wod gearing and instead brought something that wasn’t similar in any real way.
You want to know why my friends and I aren’t playing? The sole reason. Rating locked gear. We don’t want to get sweaty on every single alt to push rating so we can have decent gear to stop getting smashed. We all played all of mop/wod. All played multiple characters in any comp at any rating. Had a blast even with grinds and busted specs.
Rating locked gear with big disparity is anti competition, booster encouraging and alt/new player unfriendly. The only people that truly like it are people that enjoy smashing others with a gear crutch, boosters or those willing to buy boosts.
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Logic on display here: Why fix a legitimate problem now when they will just complain about some other nonlegit problem later?
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Well, he’s not wrong, I’m going to argue that you lost because of your crap transmog.
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TBF, my transmog is months old. The forum just isn’t updating it. My win percentage is much higher now that I have switched mogs.
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I think everyone should have equal footing in PVP. IF they want to give something for the rankings i.e 1400 1600 ect they could make really cool cosmetics… Like new back pieces, mounts, ARMOR sets that are NOT reskins… stuff like that… and at the end of a season they get a chest with a title inside gold ect. There are a lot of possible things they could do to make it really fun to push higher. b/c doesn’t that old set just become looks anyways… next season lol
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I agree with everything in your post. I think we also need to come to terms with the fact that the tiered system is not going away. It’s too tied in with Blizzard’s design philosophy for them to let it go. The best we can hope for is a squished version of what currently exists.
Good post. Being a late starter in PvP has been rough.
Whereas PvE content gets easier throughout a patch cycle, PvP just continues to get harder and the barriers and gaps get bigger as everyone gers more gear. Anyone can say “just get better”, but most people trying it out give up because the current iteration is poorly done.
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I’ve returned from my Blizzard sponsored vacation to bump this thread. Good read, +1.
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Does anyone know if they made it easier to upgrade your conduits? Seems like I always get conduit upgrades for things I do not want to use. The ones I do want are still stuck at level 184 or so…
They seriously need to add a conduit vendor that trades them up to level 200 and then make us do higher level content for the upgrades.
But right now it’s way to random for abilities that truly define how you play in the content you want.
You pretty much have to do chores you don’t want to do, like daily callings and/or Maw daily/weekly/rare farming for currency to random upgrade a low conduit.