Remember when Jaina was going to drown Ogrimmar in Water Elementals but got talked out of it by her then-Dragon BF?
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brb vomiting
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The biggest problem about criticizing someoneâs favorite games (and characters in those games) tend to, for some reason, translate like youâre attacking a personâs personality rather than criticizing the game since clearly if the game is bad so is their choices of personal enjoyment.
Which is obviously not the case, but people are emotional creatures.
This has just been exasperated over the months as WoW becomes more and more under fire for under-performing on a game level, and on a company level as ActiBlizzard continues to drop the ball.
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People literally make their entire personalities out of their favourite (garbage) hobbies so roundabout it turns out you are personally attacking them, itâs because they have literally nothing else
now ask me how Blizzard used this to catapult themselves to multimillion subscriber success
trick question. donât
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I would LOVe to see actual canonical aggression from both sides, it always seems to me like in BFA for example the aggressor has been âPOVâ.
The alliance see the horde aggression through the alliance lens, and the Horde see the Alliance aggression through the Horde lens and that gives the story continuity errors.
I want to see the dark and the light of it no matter which side Iâm on.
My Warrior, RPâd the War of Thorns as the âdarkâ moment, to the point where she was forced to retire because she refused the unlawful order to help burn the tree.
With my Rogue, in her backstory, when it reached the chapter where she killed a priestess simply to escape, I wrote it as a dark panicky moment in her history that she has since buried as her deepest secret (it was cold blooded murder, and its easy to get away with cold blooded murder, just donât talk about it, she would say, and then she went to Pandaria and became a mistweaver and fought against Garroshâs forces)
We saw the story of Thanos as obviously DARK and EVIL, and knowing what he did was wrong, but we still understood and sympathized with his emotions for doing what he did while simultaneously hating him for it, because they wrote it correctly.
Blizzard needs to write both sides of the story the same, if the Alliance does something evil, word it as being evil for the alliance players who read it, if the horde does something evil, word it as them doing something evil so you can connect with what youâre playing while knowing hey this is the bad choice part of the story.
A lot of BFA was written with the faction you were on ALWAYS in the right, when it should be written for what it is, no matter the faction you are playing, Horde attacking that town in tiragarde should be horde attacking that town in tiragarde and not mahically morphing intoâŚa defensive actionâŚ? when you get the true motivation when you play the same quest series on Alliance.
Stop the point of view storytelling and let us know we are in the middle of a bad deed and stuck between a rock and a hard place.
You see Negan do objectively bad things, yet people still LOVE him (i mean I mainly like him cause Jeffrey Dean Morgan hot AF but that is beside the point) You have to love to hate a villain, or you wonât even hate the villain because, itâs replaced by pure apthy for said villain, cause they have no purpose. Which is where I thinkj Sylvanas and the jailer went wrong, even with some of my leanings towards, okay maybe this new plot isnât THAT bad in the end.
Anyway I could write all day about how I feel Blizzard doesnât do their villains justice, but thats for another day. More Thanos, less Jailer.
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i get that, but i think people who get defensive or who feel the need to lash out over their favorite franchise getting criticized (rightly or wrongly) should probably re-examine their relationship to the media they consume
i also have deep attachments to specific bits of media that are near and dear to my heart and that buoyed me through some very dark times, and seeing said media be criticized or even mocked has never made me feel the need to take up sword and shield
no?? not in the slightest
also more mcu is exactly what wow doesnât need right now imho
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i donât know if this holds. iâm perfectly fine with people criticising some of my favourite games. i think itâs just thereâs a lot of sylvanas fans who have made âSYLVANAS FANâ a part of their core identity
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Thatâs why I think it helps to think of all WoW characters as B-characters.
Youâre not gonna get shakespeare, and youâre not going to get Mass Effect level storytelling from World of Warcraft, itâs going to be quirky, itâs going to be corny, and itâs going to be cheesy.
But Blizzard is trying to make their game super serious. Akin to the Stargate series going from quirky in joke universe to SUPER DRAMATIC BATTLESTAR GALACTICA STYLE Stargate Universe.
It doesnât FIT, and but itâs fun to talk about them as if theyâre serious characters, for me anyway lol.
Yes but it doesnât have to be outright insultingly terrible. Thereâs probably a hard line between âquirky and cornyâ and âwhy donât we very badly portray actual genocide as a rule of cool moment???â
Remember supporting his motives is not tacit support of his actions.
Thatâs what makes a good villain, they BELIEVE they are in the right, even when the yare very very wrong.
You SEE Thanos being genuine, and truth in his eyes, you see sadness when he kills his own daughter, but you can still condemn him for his overtly terrible acts.
âWrite a villain your readerâs love to hate, or your readers will simply hate your storytelling.â
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Thank you. I thought âweâ was an extremely strong word for it; I honestly thought it was a load of hot garbage and actually made it hard for me to stay invested in the story at all.
Oh youâre absolutely right, thatâs exactly what iâm saying, BFA, Shadowlands, itâs Blizzard trying to make a masterpiece out of what ISNâT a masterpiece. They should keep their characters silly and fun, not dramatic.
Itâs basically if they put Mickey Mouse in Die Hard. It doesnât work.
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no???
i was too busy being baffled at how utterly stupid and ill-thought-out his whole ~master plan~ was
nothing about him was sympathetic, or understandable, or even sensical
why kill a bunch of people (and animals, and plants for some reason) in response to a supposed resource crisis that we see no evidence of but are assured totally exists when he could have snapped more resources into existence??
instead of creating material abundance he acts like an edgy teenager whoâs just discovered eco-fascism
honestly he was cooler and more fun when he was just horny for Ms. Sexy Lady Death
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Agreed wholeheartedly, but much of that is Blizzardâs fault. Iâm not sure any other race has such a singular entity that defines it, as she has always defined The Forsaken of Lordaeron. She is that, because they designed her that way.
Iâm trying to figure out the best way to explain what Iâm thinking, but my brain is short-circuiting at the moment.
Everything about her is exactly what they wanted her to be. Itâs marketing. Even just from a superficial standpoint and how she looks - sheâs dead. She should be rotting and falling apart. Instead, Blizzard has spent years making her the WoW version of that Jessica Rabbit line, âIâm not bad, Iâm just drawn that way.â The fans bought it. They wanted it and Blizzard kept feeding it to them.
Blizzard made her. Blizzard is trashing her. For all the laughs Iâve been having at this, itâs really a sad ending for what could have been a grand character in a grand story.
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Compelling stories just need to be internally consistent. Quality of the writing is kind of secondary.
There are still Empire vs Stormcloak debates 10 years later because Bethesda wrote the factions in a consistent manner.
Alliance vs Horde isnt even a discussion any more. Oneâs about as thrilling as the UN General Assembly and the other is Saudi Arabiaâs seat on the UNâs council for womenâs rights.
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Exactly! Thaâs why you love to hate him!
The way to fix his dilemna is RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM but he doesnât see it. He instead, is a cross between having a genuine motivation, mixed with some egomania, understanding his motivation is not tacit support of his actions.
Thanos went COMPLETELY the wrong direction, he could have been hailed as a hero to the universe, he had godlike power, but whether he was hurt by his own loss, and his own suffering or whatever, it caused him to not think about anything but suffering. To the point where he was willing to kill his own daughter to achieve his goals.
And in the end, karma got him back, when HE got snapped instead. And i remember, almost feeling bad for him in that final scene when he sat down, dejected, failed, and turning to dust (but only for a moment because then Iron Man made me cry even more)
Also: Skyrim belongs to the Nords.
i donât hate him though
my feelings about him could be summed up as a mix of âmehâ and âbut whyâ
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Itâs godmoding to tell people how they feel, yo
(I will say, mostly jokingly, I love the thanos snap because Thanos was the only being powerful enough to stop Samuel L. Jackson from swearing, battle of the titans right there.)
Anyway, and the meh is kinda how i am about the Jailer, because we know next to nothing about him.
âBig bad guy kill everythingâ
I donât CARE about the Jailer, I donât care to beat him I kinda, meh.
âYou love to hate himâ is meant as a general phrase, not AT anyone or anything.