9.1 is almost out

Elune totally pulled back on Tyrande’s reins because Sylvanas is the chosen one and she cannot die. It’s pretty obvious.

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The optimist in me likes to think, “Elune valued Tyrande’s life more than Sylvanas’ end.”

The realist in me firmly believes, “The Devs only invented the Night Warrior to placate fans angry that the Night Elf race suffered a genocide without consequence. They never had a story to tell with it, thought 8.1 was enough with Darkshore, fan outcry proved otherwise, and 9.1 is just them trying to bring resolution again, without having to actually write any meaningful story to it.”

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I can’t wait for the next expansion WarSylvanases of Sylvanasland.

Sad to see my absolute favorite faction leader from Vanilla up to the start of Legion take such a craptacular turn. I miss the Sylvanas that sang to my nublet belf character after I found that locket all those years ago. She had layers and depth…Dansuar Sylvie-waifu has all the layers of a brick.

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idk that’s still pretty creepy because Scott and Jean are like, in their 30s, and Logan is at least 180.

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I do not approve of the age gap.

if it was like, an elf and a human it would be a little weird a la WoW but in this case they’re 3 humans and so it’s completely like, within imagination. you’re dating someone’s great-great-great-great grandpa.

oh my god was Logan alive during the Civil War???

edit: he was. he was alive in the civil war and he’s dating someone who’s like, a millennial.

It would have been better if Tyrande’s powers had blinked a few times while making that electric light bulb buzz before they went out with a pop-fizz. At least Blizzard would have let us all in on the joke.

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Healing factor makes him age slow so physically he’s like 40ish I guess? I mean who could he date and it wouldn’t be icky? I guess Mystique is pretty old too but she only loves her wife Destiny. Pretty creepy is Buffy/Angel Buffy is 16 when they meet/have sex and Angel is like 200 and a demon-possessed undead mass murderer. He was at least early to mid-20s when he was turned.

tfw no ripped 180-year-old short king canadian bf :pensive:

gamers are wild

everyone complains about the negative nancies who are never happy, but i’m starting to think i’d rather deal with them than the obsessively positive sorts who start screaming groupthink if you have something mildly critical to say about their comfort game (even if you preface it by saying you actually enjoy said game overall)

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I was in the middle of typing something about how maybe since Logan keeps losing his memories he might only have accumulated about 30 years worth of lived experiences but then I realized I was being dumb, this is dumb, all of this is dumb

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I am still trying to wrap my head around that cenimatic. All it was missing in the end was a mud pit that Tyrande and Sylvanas rolled around in as Malfurion and Nathanos watched while having brewskies.

tyrande accomplished more stuff before she was empowered by the night warrior

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That’s pretty much comics. It’s best to not think to much about it and admire the artwork and crazy stories.

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This is pretty much how I view life in general.

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Narratively speaking, the Night Warrior was a bad idea to begin with. The concept is fine on it’s own as a kind of world building tidbit, but the problem is writing a living, active Night Warrior into the story at all.

Nothing short of Tyrande walking into Orgrimmar with nonchalance as every member of the Horde within sight gets Moonfired into a pile of glittering moon-touched ashes, with entire buildings being destroyed in instants, would have sufficed to make the Night Warrior come across as any kind of meaningful form of power. Of course we can’t have a faction’s primary capital destroyed along with everyone in it (unless its Night Elves), so that couldn’t happen.

They could have had Tyrande tearing through the Maw occasionally doing the above, kind of as a reverse Deathwing situation where the Maw is punked by Tyrande’s mere presence while she hunts for Sylvanas, but then that just ruins any attempt to make the Maw appear threatening to the player.

They could have had Tyrande killing Sylvanas nice and slowly, the Banshee being eaten alive by moonlight that causes her to briefly feel alive again just to fully appreciate the pain of burning to death, but Sylvanas needed to be alive and in fighting form to be a raid boss.

To put it simply, there is no opportunity for the Night Warrior to be the force its supposed to be within the narrative, unless its dominating the narrative, which it can’t because not only is another story in the process of being told, but this is a two faction game and it’d be unfair to unilaterally destroy large segments of one of the two factions, even though that’s more or less what got us into this situation to begin with.

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If “night warrior moon-fueled rampage” was how UC got wrecked I think that would have been way more interesting than Sylvanas 5d chess burning down her own house.

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I seem to recall everyone gasping in awe at the Maw’s denizens getting punked and its dangers made into ice-sculptures when we followed in the wake of Jaina during the introductory sequence.

Yes, she mentions getting caught often, but always escaping and trivially wreaking absolute destruction to the maw’s forces everytime.

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But then the Forsaken wouldn’t have been evacuated ahead of time, and the Horde wouldn’t have lost the Undercity on its terms! We can’t have that.

/sarcasm off

Fair point, but that in and of itself brings up another issue: Jaina has already overshadowed the Night Warrior. In BFA, Tyrande can’t even solo Nathanos, or two-man him when Malfurion shows up. Meanwhile just one of Jaina’s water elements is enough to solo Nathanos AND Talanji in the Dazar’alor raid.

Assuming Tyrande waltz’d through the Maw killing everything as collateral while looking for Sylvanas, it’s already lost meaning because Jaina’s been doing more or less the same thing.

There’s just… so much wrong with the Night Warrior as a narrative concept.

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For a while, I had a faint hope that Blizz could retroactively hype/show off the Night Warrior’s power (because we knew she’d have to fail against Sylvanas, so surely she’d be shown getting a victory elsewhere) by giving the player a flashback/vehicle quest where they play as Night Warrior Tyrande blitzing through Sylvanas-loyalist-held Ashenvale.

(Something like that should have been done in BfA, but better late than never.)

It’d help (not fully solve, though) 4 main issues:

  1. Show the Night Warrior being powerful
  2. Show the Night Warrior succeeding at something instead of failing
  3. Show what Tyrande was doing in all her offscreen time
  4. Settle the question of what happened to Ashenvale after the war

This fight isn’t too bad on its own, to me (other than the flying and style looking absolutely non-Warcraft to me, but maybe that’s just me)… except it’s another failure on a whole chain of failures. I can’t feel like it’s a good showing when the best it’s ever gotten is “well, at least you looked cool before you lost again!”

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Honestly it feels like the narrative is shifting more towards “wow this looks so cool!!!” at the expensive of the story itself and things even making sense at all. It feels cheap and lazy.

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