9.1 further disenfranchises non-competitive playerbase

Badges of Valor would like a word with you. Sure a hell of a lot better than 30 anima and Personal No Loot (even if you did get a drop, it’s worse than what you already had).

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Yes. I never said it didn’t take any effort. In previous expansions you wouldn’t even get that at all.

There’s also the AH to fill in missing pieces.

That’s actually false.

Explained the problem of SL from word to word. Respect sir/ma’am

If they would address these issues it would be best game period

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Badges of Valor didn’t cover every slot. You got fill pieces which was usually offset pieces and maybe a leg or gloves depending on armor type.

90% of everything you’re whining about is how wow has been since vanilla. Git gud

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Not every slot, no, but it was still something to work towards, and besides, the slots it didn’t cover, there was usually something else that did cover it. I remember there being crafting cooldowns that made raid-quality gear for 2 slots, even, that I ground up on my characters. Eventually everybody had those 2 pieces.

And back then, LFR drops were better. You actually got set pieces back then, remember those?

LFR Siege was actually fun and the gear drops were actually good. I also did LFR ToT too, on a few characters.

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Not really. IO is a factor, but decisions are rarely made by “Person A has X IO, Person B has Y IO”.

When I pick a pug, I’ll often pass over someone with higher IO if they bring something I need to the table, like a Venthyr for SD or a Mage for Lust, AI, Spellsteal, etc.

The larger problem in regards to pugging is that the ratios of tanks/healers/dps’ are so out of whack is that group leaders have the luxury of waiting for an over-geared, over-experienced fire mage or boomkin because they know they’ll get one faster than they’ll get a tank or healer.

You’re associating joining a guild with joining a raid team, and a fairly hardcore one at that.

Plenty of guilds exist that will still play with you, even if you can’t play the exact hours every week, especially if you’re upfront about it.

I’m not as busy, but my guild accepted me with the caveat that every other raid day I’ll be late an hour due to prior obligations. No-one is getting mad at me when raid rolls around on those days and I’m not there on time. Hell, I had a nap, overslept and was late to raid by half an hour and while I got memed, no-one actually hates me in the guild for doing that.

And that’s just if we’re talking in the context of raids. M+ guilds are even more lenient since the content is so easy to organize. Half the time I just @ some people on discord and a 10-20 minutes later we’re halfway through a dungeon.

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Only a few wanna-be, carry-buying, dorks actually want the highest level rewards for the easiest content. The vast majority of casual players who are leaving are saying that there is no adequate sense of progression and reward outside of the harder instances.

People will repeat content for months if there is a well-designed progression and reward system in place. Not only does the history of WoW prove this, looking at any number of games does. Games of all kinds.

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There are such a huge amount of different types of guilds I almost find it disingenuous to see someone say that there isn’t a guild that has a schedule that you could make work.

We were 2 nights (7:30-11) all BFA and moved 3 nights in Shadowlands. Many guilds run a bench to allow for people to be away or sit out one week.

Heroic guilds can be very flexible too, because of flex raiding.

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I thought that the inclusion of Valor Points would have helped for this no?

You have zero clues. You should apply to Blizzard!

And maybe you should git gud?

In the early patches of MoP, you could earn Valor from LFR and Heroic dungeons and buy Normal-iLvl gear from a vendor (like raiding gear, but without set bonuses and not for every slot).

In BfA, you could earn Conquest through faction assaults, unrated PvP, and Battle for Nazjatar, then earn a full set of Heroic-iLvl gear. You could eventually earn near-Mythic-iLvl gear (not for every slot) from soloing Horrific Visions.

Why would you say that something is false, when it is not?

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That’s all you got?

It still wasn’t a full set. If valor gave you legs you got gloves from crafting.

LFR drops are still the same spread they always have been.

No one has tier sets now.

Because it’s already been addressed.

“Explain this to me. Explain to me why the highest skilled players ought to be rewarded with better gear than everyone else if they are already also the highest skilled players. Doesn’t that just compound the discrepancy? Derp.”

Try explaining it reverse. I put in more time and effort into the game than you. I’m higher skill than you. Why is your gear the exact same as mine? Why am I playing the game more if I’m getting less reward out of it?

That creates a system where wow literally encourages people to not play as much.

That’s what happens a lot in Education. You get people who coast and do the bare minimum for a long time and make a lot more than people who put forth time and effort. It creates an environment where laziness is rewarded. You lose the people that care the most about the job because people can’t put all of their energy into something and see no results. They see lazy Kevin doing half the job but with more pay. They quit and that’s what would happen in WoW too. Unless they completely restructured the game and made it something else

Now you have a legendary, close to a full set of normal raid ilv gear and trinkets from WQ(some that are really good despise their ilv).

Run 1 m+ at an easy level and you get a chance at an item that is better than the heroic raid every week.

I tried to give Shadowlands a chance but this may legitimately be the nail in the coffin for me.

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My guild is the same way. We have guys that sometimes show up late or can’t make it, but as long as they let everyone know prior in discord it isn’t a problem. My advice to the casual crowd looking for a guild is to take their time and ask around. Progression guilds aren’t usually looking for top end people, just ones who are easy to play with and don’t mind suggestions on how to improve their performance in the raid. As someone who played BFA solo, I got SO much better playing my class this expansion thanks to my guild leaders. It made playing this game far even more enjoyable than it was for me.

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