Cliff notes:
Unholy dk buffs
Frost dk nerf to breath spec/buff to other talents
Slight nerf to glacial spike for frost mage
Ret pally HUGE buff to freedom honor talent.
Priest shadow word pain nerf, premonition nerf.
Prot war pvp damage nerf
hopefully this means autoattack won’t be our top damage anymore.
It’d be cool if they balanced classes with hps and dps added together instead of allowing all classes to do roughly the same dps but others having drastically higher hps.
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not everyone’s self healing works the same though, a paladin or priest can just directly heal themselves, whereas a dk needs to take big damage and have RP and a target in melee range to make any big numbers in self healing. i think if they tried to balance those then the classes would be too uniform.
A paladin at least has to decision make to heal or do damage in their rotation.
Demon hunters just mongo and passively heal. 0 decision making.
DKs death strike does almost the same damage as death coil. Hardly a dps loss.
Fury war, mongo heals.
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a paladin can retreat and heal while a DK can’t.
deathstrike still requires generating RP, which means that there is plenty of times you need to self heal but can’t and need to attack instead. also DS is mitigated by armor, DC isn’t and it is modified by mastery, so they don’t do the same damage.
there is a lot more to consider than simple HPS, self healing numbers can be very deceiving and don’t tell the whole story.
Why would a dk want to retreat? You are maintaining consistent pressure and one of the tankiest options for the enemy in a team fight or in arena. If an enemy does go you then your deathstrike is all the more potent. Very very little decision making for dk healing. It’s not as bad as demon hunter or fury war, but its next in line.
I think they should take a look at self sustain on these classes, especially demon hunter. It’s silly that their hardest hitting ability/borderline spammable is what passively procs heals.
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because they are dying? as much as people like to talk about DS healing, its not that OP. i’ve sent plenty of DKs to the graveyard for leaning on DS like a crutch. the spell is very easily outplayed if you understand it’s limitations and how it works.
DH might be OP on paper, but they are about as tough as paper, so im not sure what the issue is, every class has unique strengths and weaknesses, if everyone had the same strengths and same weaknesses the game would be very boring.
Paladin wants to heal. Okay counterspell, guess he cant bubble now either.
dk wants to heal, disarm, can’t heal now. he has his weapon back, kite, still can’t heal. then he finally gets in melee range, has his weapon, but has been taking small rot style damage, self heals for piddly amounts. dies, slowly of course.
It seems like you’ve crushed some bad dks and demon hunters then and using that as your example.
My “main” at the moment is a demon hunter. They are far from paper if specced properly and the right traits. Freddy’s been playing a dk. For double dps I think we live entirely too long in 2s. Our healing sustain is ungodly really.
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Cant say then when i played my dk ive ever had problems healing… kite a dk, its nice having two stuns, a grip and a 70% slow. Plus whatever is kiting them is doing little to no damage. Also almost every class has a kick, no one has an untalented disarm.
What about enhancement shammy?
ya know, i can’t remember if i have ever seen you play, at all.
try kiting a dk as a dk.
I actually saw both of you on the same AV team once. I figured you grouped together but could be wrong. This was a few months ago. I remember fighting you both between IBT and Galv’s room in a small(ish) fight. I was on my druid I think so neither of you would have known it was me.
I don’t believe we’ve ever crossed paths in game to my knowledge. I had you on btag last I saw. If you ever want to do 2s or 3s with Freddy and I then hit us up. We’ve been queuing several nights a week.
If we are talking 1v1 dk duels now your situation makes even less sense than it did before. They both will freely heal to their hearts content.
No way! I hope we mashed your face in.
generally im talking random stuff than happens in bgs, and no, you won’t freely heal, even if both are in melee range both should be stacked so high with necrotic wound that its more of a race to kill the other first, not a heal off. but generally if you are playing unholy correctly you are kiting melee and meleeing ranged. the self healing and heal absorb is not why unholy is a PITA to fight, its the mixed playstyle.