It was killing two birds with one stone. The bombs had to be disposed of, and so did the fleet. I’d call that being efficient.
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All that studying finally paid off.
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Because they were in a position of power and she couldn’t trust them after what happened. What would you have her do? Let them come back and likely work to overthrow her with an Alliance puppet.
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The implication of this post is that Sylvanas would think that the Desolate Council set up the event and set it up as a means to betray her. She brought it up to them. She gave them the terms. It was a one time deal. When she blows the horn, it’s time to leave. When she blew the horn, she killed the members who obeyed their warchief.
More dishonesty. If you can’t have a discussion in good faith, there’s no point in wasting my time on you.
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Now you’re being dishonest. She killed them because Calia showed up. You know, literally the only person with an actual claim to Sylvanas’ kingdom.
If Calia doesn’t show up, Sylvanas doesn’t kill the council.
Anyway this was a thread about Jaina so we should probably stop this
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She killed them because it was ‘the only way to keep her kingdom as it is.’ Which is her only concern.
She kills Calia. She could kill Calia without killing her faithful and loyal retainers.
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And she would have been justified in stripping them of their authority. Not summarily executing them.
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Just pointing out that nobody who played Vanilla would call Fandral “villain-batted.” That bastard had us running all over Azeroth collecting supplies for his obviously shady schemes right from the beginning of this game.
Benedictus would have been a much better choice if you wanted to play the “villain-batted” card.
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Benedictus was barely an inconvenience to the Horde, though. He never did anything to get us fired up and excited about the idea of taking him out.
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I remember there were at least a couple of instances where Horde players would raid Teldrassil for their Tyrande kill achievements, and would make deals with the Alliance playerbase to be left alone if they killed Fandral too.
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Talanji had nothing to do with your fleet being destroyed. What she did was keep her own ship intact until the even greater Zandalari fleet could get to you.
Fandral was not ever your racial leader, Tyrande was. It’s true you did not get to kill the NPC that WAS Fandral’s mirror (well, unless we count the battle in the last Legion raid), since as is typical with Blizzard’s writing, they made the Horde players kill Varimathras on your behalf instead.
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Are people really upset about GarroshSylvanas? Because like, everything you just said applies right back at her. She’s always been evil, rude, condescending (Still love her laughing at Horde soldiers dying.), etc.
Nothing she does now surprises me yet there’s a million threads out here decrying her villain battery.
Happy to subvert convention then ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Or more honestly, I’m using “villain bat” as loosely as I see others use it. Given the writing has been on the wall for EVERY leader-turned-villain, I’ve found it equally watery when used to describe Garry and Sylvie-kun. But here we are in endless “Blizz hates my faction moooore” pissing contests, trying to one up each other in how awful our stories have been. C’est la vie.
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If we imagine a different beginning to BFA where a partisan contingent of the Alliance had grown tired of the Horde not being dead and mobilised to eradicate us once and for all and kicked things off by Burning Silvermoon to the ground. If Sylvanas then burnt down Teld as an act of retribution and went on with her usual carry-on I would not consider this a villain-batting. Exact same Sylvie-kun, just framed differently in the narrative.
Are you talking about the Pit of Saron when she refers to the soldiers killed by Scourgelord Tyrannus as “pathetic weaklings”? If so, let’s talk about that scene–maybe on the megathread to avoid derailing this one–but first, I want to be sure i have the right reference.
“Make the Alliance the bad guys even though it would completely contradict the established lore of its leaders and I will be happy.” Entitled, much? Sylvanas has been a murderous psychopath since the end of Warcraft 3. And as far back as Vanilla, it specifically stated that the Forsaken joining the Horde was an alliance of convenience. She doesn’t care about the Horde and she never did.
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They could spin it as reclaiming your rightful territory and keeping Alliance children safe from Horde aggression. Wouldn’t you feel good about that?
Jaina can bring down whole Fleets. Nathanos can take on a Godly-empowered Tyrande. What else is new ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
This is the same universe where a Giant Sword is sticking out of the whole planet.
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While these asides are great and all, none really dissuade from the original point of my exchange this is stemming from. And I’ve gone and done my usual thing where I see a tangent and charge straight at 'em. The complaint was the Alliance was yet again raiding a Horde thing. I simply pointed out that the Horde has done that act more.
Like, Kisin’s reply to me in particular is predicated on the assumption that I see this as a bad thing. I am assuming because the person I responded to, or Horde posters in general do right now? I do not. I enjoy that Dire Maul, a night elf story, was resolved canonically by the Horde. Or that Vol’jin got the Alliance involved with the Amani and Zandalari, or the Horde participating in the Kaldorei civil war, Siege of Orgrimmar, the raid for the Divine Bell, The War of the Thorns, the post Wrathgate invasion of Undercity, Benedictus, Silverpine Worgen plot threads as continuation of our starting zone and racial story. I like the simultaneously split and shared narrative.
It is not an affront to my sensibilities when our characters are killed, cities raided, or plot threads concluded by the Horde. I replied to a post complaining about the inverse to say that it happens to us both. It’s pretty silly to whinge about it as though its a bias against the story or faction you play when currently the Horde has done it more.
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Not only was it actually destroyed by the Zandalari fleet, as Treng pointed out, but only five ships were destroyed.
I assumed five was a fleet, per Sylvanas referencing that many in Stormheim being destroyed as a fleet.