619 really is a hard wall

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If I am moving, you’re just creating them.

Same rewards (gear), different crests.
But it didn’t until couple of weeks ago.

What I said is: within Delves you can’t progress further. You can’t simply do 11 and get gilded all the time.

But with M+ yes.

So, I’m sorry to inform that your “gotcha” moment has failed and you’re making irrelevant points that do not change the matter.

Because you make the same mistake that assume that you’ll always have a delver bounty map to get the gilded crests, so, no.

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correct

something has happened this season that has made M+ horrific for all but people who have 24/7 set groups.

if blizzard feels that that can charge $90 for a mount, they may as well let us pay $90 for 150 gilded crests.

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:violin: poor guy im so sorry, blizzard really needs to allow everyone to get keys from mplus so we avoid such pity parties. I hope you can figure out how to get into 8s

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It is a wall, but a wall that only exists outside of content that I’m interested in doing. Is there some content out there that you are looking at doing, that requires higher than 619?

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I like to solo stuff as a challenge, so high ilvl as possible. I figure eventually they will raise the level of delves so it can be useful for like a delve +15 when we get there, but before that, I have been playing with soloing mythic dungeons.

(A lot of this need for really good gear is just carry over from my recent 3 year stint in classic TBC and Wrath, where we would 5 man Black Temple trash and stuff. It was a lot of fun and quite profitable but you needed good gear.)

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Ultimately that’s because delves as content lacks the aspects of difficulty that make it comparable to content that consistently awards gilded crests and simply turning up the tuning knobs doesn’t change that.

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Are you saying that gilded crests should only be awarded for group activity? Zek ?? proves that there is a way to make solo activity hardish.

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Zek “??” is an unbalanced mess that some specs can do almost naked. It shouldn’t really be the baring for any of this.

And I don’t think the problem is explicitly group content related, though some aspects you’d struggle with. One thing is mechanical complexity, another is communication / reaction to the actions of other players, and the 3rd is a need for player optimisation.

The 3rd one is the biggest thing I think delves are missing. The only requirement for success is survival, you never have to actually play your spec well in terms of rotation or spec mechanics. If you do not die, you will eventually whittle down whatever’s infront of you and move on to the next thing.

Zekvir “??” kind of had that with the dps check of needing to kill the egg before it hatched, but blizzard nerfed it roughly 50% to the point where it was barely a relevant factor in completing the challenge.

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It’s about the transmog, not the gear progression.

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Why does it matter if a “lower skilled” player is able to level their gear into “mythic” levels without doing max level content?

We all know that ilvl doesn’t equal skill level. So, what does it matter if someone with a lower skill level gets access to higher gear/upgrades?

Maybe that player at 610 isn’t skilled enough to generate the DPS/HPS to keep up in a +8, but are able to properly follow movement/mechanics? By allowing them to obtain higher ilvl, it may compensate for their rotational faults.

Of course, movement/mechanics can’t be helped by ilvl, outside of cheesing very low content. But there are some players who are really good at mechanics and movement, but are rotationally challenged for whatever reason.

Instead of shaming or ‘walling’ them, why not just make it slightly easier to gear up and fit in better with stronger gear to help overcome their weakness?

Hahaha …I can already hear the fragile elitist egos clacking their keys away to justify some elitist view against it. But really…if you’re that good, it will be obvious, and you with only 620 would destroy us weaklings given 639, all the same. So, why do you care if some ‘inferior’ player has high end gear? I mean, it won’t make them 'better 'then you just by having the gear, and they still likely wouldn’t never go into the top keys.

This would also help expand the M+ pool. What is there to lose?

We have various ways of measuring skill… IO/Raidlogs/etc. That said, even those can be obtained by knowing the right people to carry you or by paying gold for carries.

If we are going to go hard no on gear to anyone whom the elite feel didn’t earn it, there should be a hard ban on free\paid carries, too. That won’t happen, as many elite use that to supplement their income by hosting carries.

At the end of the day, it’s a game, and is meant for fun. Allow people to work away for what they want. The top players will shine on skill, and the not-so-top players will scrape thru a 10 with 630 gear, barely keeping #s up with the rest of the group at 615. But they all had fun.

The elites can keep the KSH/Portals and CE as their precious, for no-one else to take, along the cool mounts/titles/etc that accompany such.

But gear… its trivial and a measurement of nothing…why all the fuss against?

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Maybe you’re just wrong again and gilded crests shouldn’t be locked behind 8 keys maybe it should be back to 7’s like it was in the previous season so everything should be as it was and then the likes of you wouldn’t be spewing – so condescendingly – false elitism here in the forums.

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Even if it was 7s the same things would be fundamentally present in m+ that isn’t in delves, just easier to ignore.

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hmmm not really, we faceroll in 7’s.
Maybe it is an skill issue for you.

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How are you facerolling 7s but failing 8s then?

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Wild that 10% damage/HP is the difference between facerolling and impossible for you lol.

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Moving the goal posts again?

:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

I talk about my keys when you show yours :slight_smile:

But I like that you changed the argument to talk about ME, really shows that you lost the argument. I accept your concede.

Since I don’t like leaving things like this, I’d like to mention, again, that gilded crests do not drop from all bountiful Delves, only when you have a delver bounty map active.

So, with this, rest in peace.

Seems to be out of context, who said impossible exactly and when?

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What argument, it was a genuine question.

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wow. You got hit so hard that you lost your memory

:headstone:

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Ah, this is going to be one of those.

Gilded crests drop consistently from content that requires coordination, some level of dps performance optimisation, and difficulty derived from multiple points of failure.

Delves, regardless of their tuning, have none of these three things. I don’t think all three need to be present, but I’d settle for at least one.

Unrelated: PSA: How to ignore forum users with a private profile

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What is going to be one of those?
You’re making up arguments which I haven’t done, and you start moving the goal posts to discuss myself instead of the actual topic?

And you’re a level 10 professional forum troll. So, I’m being kind enough to give you a portion of my time to talk to you. You should feel grateful for that.

They drop even when you fail all of that, unless of course you didn’t know.

Gilded crests do not drop from delves.
They drop when you have found a delver bounty map.

Somehow you and other people struggle to understand that. I don’t know how to make it more clear for you, that you can do 10 bountiful delves without a single gilded crests drop.

And I disagree with you. I don’t think the gilded crests should be that much restricted, at all. I don’t have problem with people getting gear and upgrading their gear.

It all sounds like you go to bed and you can’t sleep at night “oh no… these people… having fun with Delves… and they’re getting Gilded crests!!! How can this be? Who is going to save us now???”

It sounds really… unhinged.

I like this topic because all these false elitists show themselves up.

Oh… did you try to search for my posts and talk again about me and failed?

oh no…

:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

Anyway, since this argument is already over, I don’t have anything else to talk to you. I’ll be the adult here and walk away from this. It is not going anywhere and you have been dishonest all along on this thread. Be my guest to have the last word if you want – it would fit perfectly for you the need of doing that.