Yes. This is what I was talking about. This is what I hope for but honestly I’d rather have the modern version of wow with the classic philosophies instead of a progressive Classic server.
In retrospect, I know Blizzard will fail again maybe. Its just unrealistic.
I think they should kill off classic servers and make progressive servers based off of the classic servers. Call it something else. That would be cool.
m+ is an esport now and it will be there next expansion along with raider io sadly.why would anyone play if they dont like the m+ esport system?
if things dont change like they have to get rid of ap grinds all 8.2 is is just a neck ap grind from lvl 50 to 70 not many will be playing the next expansion.
and to me it looks real bad when a 15 year old version is better then your current game.
They never explicitly said that their gonna do expansion content, they just suggested that if Classic is successful they would consider doing expansions next. Was mentioned in a dev interview that happened recently (don’t have the link sadly).
That would be preferable, making it its own server per expansion. People fought to have a Vanilla server, getting rid of it to make it a BC/Wrath server seems against the original purpose.
This is why I don’t think it will be good sadly.
Progressive WoW servers based off of the classic servers might be the only way to give our crowd what we want.
Again, I say I’d rather see modern wow take from Classic’s philosophies but as you point out, I don’t think they will.
If the best gear to obtain can come from non-raid sources, the game will never truly be good again.
Having 40 man raids reward the absolute best gear in the game will always keep a strong community alive. The fact that modern wow doesn’t have server communities anymore. Tier sets are considered non-viable the way they’re implemented in the old way.
We want these things back. The fact that doing 20+ keys can pretty much get you the best gear in the game and more often means that raiding is obsolete. You don’t need to raid anyways but for those mounts.
I will never in a million years pay for something that gets no new content so BFA will stay on top anyways atleast for me.I agree with what you said as well its not happening.
you wont have 40 man raids any more in wow.world first race is turning in to the next esport it pretty much is method has sponsors.
modern wow to me is a bad esport game.
I hope that is what happens.
The classic game design is a good formula, but there have been so many good additions over the years like M+ and transmog that I would love to see incorporated into some weird classic/retail mix of a game that takes the best of both versions.
M+ is a widely popular way that single handily make dungeons endgame relevant again in a way that hasn’t been seen since Wrath. It’s not for everyone (no game system can ever appeal to everyone) but implying it’s bad for the game is absurd.
It’s a different game from a different time, Classic and Retail WoW appeal to different demographics, and that’s OK. One isn’t inherently better than the other.
well if classic take over retail that shows you how bad retail is.
As long as M+ cannot possibly compete with Raid gear.
This is an MMO, not a lobby login game like Warframe.
That’s your personal opinion, but it’s not fact that M+ shouldn’t have equal gear at higher difficulty levels as raiding.
I hope this gets moved the appropriate forums since there is a full board dedicated to Classic Discussion.
That’s sort of what I was going for, just you know, pointing out how repetive these threads are.
As much as I enjoy classic, and as much as I’m looking forward to it. There’s just no way Classic has a stable playerbase higher than Legion’s. It’s just not sustainable.
Edit: Feel free to come back and tell me I was wrong, if it happens.
Not that I disagree with you, but what would you think is an acceptable reward for M+ dungeons?
I honestly don’t see the end game for people with this mentality. If classic is a success you’re going to berate the playerbase who is happy with retail. These constant posts dogging on “them” from both sides is seriously dumbfounding.
If you want to go play classic, go ahead, go play classic. See? No one cares.
If you want to play retail, go ahead, play retail. See? No one cares.
The idea that one way is the best ignores how varied and different the playerbase is. We’ve got everyone from teenagers to great grandpas, you can’t honestly expect one playstyle to be “the way”.
It doesn’t matter if Classic is a success or a failure, there’s an entire segment of the population that is going to be clucking about something.
Millions have people have left BFA since its launch. A lot of people are bored with BFA.
A lot of people saying BFA is overall a good game are probably those that would consider WoD a collectively popular game. BFA is not popular and neither was WoD.
Classic has the design philosophy we want. Raiding was king, content wasn’t baseline effortless, the progression could be planned and felt more rewarding etc. Class design was focused more on the overall class experience rather than focus on the specs.
Quality of life changes and certain side features that exist in modern wow don’t interfere with those things we love about classic.
why are they bored?because you need more them m+ mario speed runs to keep people playing.thats wows end game for most people that dont raid a mario speed run dungeon.
that gets real boring to people.
Nothing is wrong with M+ itself, but the fact it is the “end game” of current wow pretty much is the problem.
40 man raids should not have any gear competitions whatsoever. That community aspect required to raid in Classic is a design philosophy we want. Thats why its called an MMORPG.
Warframe is not an MMORPG. You sit in a lobby, basically que into the dungeons, and speed run through them killing trash trash trash, and the boss fights are nothing.
M+ is boring to me completely. I never touch them, I don’t hate 5 mans, but I hate trash completely and the trash in M+ are harder than the boss fights so I’m out.
Raiding should be king like how it was for most of WoW’s history. WoW’s history with M+ being competitive to raiding gear has shown a lowpoint in wow’s history.
Hardcore players are pleased but casuals left literally in the millions. Its not a coincidence.