The faction conflict has been boring for years. It’s also a superficial divide to playing with other players.
Frankly, even in the real world, people move on from things. Look at the US and UK. We were at war in the 18th and 19th centuries and ended up allies today. I saw an amusing meme about how every country seems to have an independence day except for the UK, and that’s because they were gaining independence from the UK. Yet how many are allied with the UK today? Same can be said of Germany, Italy, and Japan. Not long ago we were at war with them and now they’re allies.
Seems only a small group of players want to retain the faction war. There still is plenty of war in Warcraft. There is no rule it has to be Alliance vs Horde. Every expansion always has bare minimum one other faction that we end up fighting against. I’m honestly shocked divide and conquer hasn’t been used yet against Horde and Alliance. Take them down separately and winning should be considerably easier. Once they’re working together, it’s another matter. Cooperation can do great things. We wouldn’t have something like the international space station without working together. The costs are enormous. How much could the Horde and Alliance achieve working together and pooling resources? Seeing the Horde and Alliance explorer leagues working together in Dragonflight is a good example of that. Rather than competing with each other and potentially destroying history to stop the other side from getting something, they’re working together.
Faction conflicts are old and boring. It always boils down to the same story that sounds like hillbillies in Kentucky with a blood feud. If you’re so fixated on Horde vs Alliance, perhaps you should step out of the past. That reminds me of a story my mom told me of my great-grandmother. Long story short, she didn’t agree with the civil rights movement. No one else agreed with her. Sometimes, the past is best left in the past so we can move into the future. The faction war is dead. Move on. Let Blizzard create a story that’s not just “oh, [insert faction] did [insert offense]. We have to retaliate.” before the next big bad comes in and leads to working together again anyway. Just skip the boring faction war and jump right into the real part of the story.
With a lot of overlap. WoW had a great environment for casual pvp, they just never bothered with it. MMOs that were PvP-centric tended to actively discriminate against casual players so they died off. Every game survives by its casual playerbase and if you drive them off, the game fails.
I can’t count the number of people I would talk to while playing SMITE or even during my very brief time on LoL who were former WoW players.
Non-faction war is also boring. It’s the same bs over and over again.
1.Big bad guy gonna destroy/conquer/corrupt Azeroth, gotta get em.
2.We got em.
3. Repeat.
Just make Gobby Bigtick intentionally cause some tensions to escalate to war because he can get a payday for the investors because he just figured out that they could just put a new paint job on an a previous iteration of equipment though leave out any quality of life components and sell the quality of life parts seperately. Do whatever he can to keep the fighting going and make more sales.
I mean, It depends a lot on the writing. I don’t mind having faction wars, and I don’t mind not having them either.
What will determine if I like anything related to factions is how things are written and the context.
If the story/writing behind the conflict is good, great, let’s have war. But if it’s bad, it’s better not to have it.
But I admit I miss the Faction Pride. (Pride, not war)
We actually are in TWW. We’re helping the rebellion there put down their queen. And who knows? There may very well be a race of faceless who don’t like the void lords. Maybe we’ll play as them too!
This is what will happen when we have people like Idofix not giving a damn.
And why would a human join the Horde? Why would an orc join the Alliance? What sort of nonsensical explanation is there? Its just like with letting draenei and night elves be warlocks. Lets ignore the 10000+ years of fel corruption that we endured and embrace the fel. What could possibly go wrong?
They were never Night Elves. They were Highborne that remained in Suramar and were sustained by the Nightwell.
Those are just visages. They are still Dracthyr.
Earthen. Not Dwarves. Do you not even pay attention to the details?
Probably not. Clearly this game isn’t for you.
And yet here you are, talking in the guise of a greenskin mongolian.
They tried that with Dragonflight. People got upset over its lightheartedness and being ‘woke’.
My point being that in this type of complaint thread, there tend to be some people saying there’s no war in Warcraft any more, even though we go to war every expansion.
Blizzard, like most AAA studios, has third party sensitivity readers review all dialogue and story narratives to make sure it’s not going to offend or trigger any groups or individuals across all spectrums. This is the result, yawncraft.
You mean the universe where there’s been multiple Alliances and Horde, where different races were on different factions?
The universe where they quite literally broke the lore in Vanilla by allowing male night elf priests and female night elf druids?
The universe where they again, in Vanilla, they quite literally broke the lore by having the Night Elves join one of the factions?
The universe where in Vanilla, they pulled gnomes out of nowhere when they had only been mentioned in passing in Warcraft like 3 times prior to it and elevated them to one of the main races with no lore behind them?
I got tired of the faction war when Blizzard decided they needed to do MOP 2.0: Rumble in the Jungle. I’m sick and tired of the Horde being smacked with the villain bat and the Alliance smacked with the stupid stick, because clearly that’s all Blizzard knows how to write.
Better to let the faction conflict simmer in the background and focus on just exploring new parts of the world. The cosmic can take a hike.
People seem to blame the faction conflict for somehow holding us back this whole time. I’m not sure what it’s been holding us back from because we always get the bad guy anyhow and there is always another bad guy right up the road from that. It just provides one more potential story arc which has primarily not been the focus of most expansions, just a side thing.
Not sure how people got so bored with the faction conflict but not bored with us coming together to get the bad guy because both are tropes that have been used for the entire life of this story/game.
I think by “it’s been holding us back” they mostly mean “it has prevented me from doing specific things that I personally want to do.”
There is a whole world (of warcraft) of people and societies that have conflicting values and motivations, you don’t need to have a “big bad.” Sargeras wasn’t supposed to be a big bad that we ever actually encountered let alone beat. He was a persistent, unreachable threat who’s forces interfered with our world, and we’d have to fight that off every so often.
The “fighting for our world” idea is bad for storytelling when it’s the only story you ever tell.
can take a hike.