I think Blizzard’s proven they can’t write faction war well and also can’t handle the resolution of the war well at all either.
They only know how to make it be good vs. evil and then scapegoat the evil onto 1 person to force a resolution.
Have you noticed that everyone has now looked past the carnage of World War I and World War II? How is that possible? Must be the Earth devs are terrible writers.
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I mean, we can have a war against things other than Alliance vs Horde. There should always be underlying tensions but the all out ally vs horde war is played out and barely held together anymore.
Issue being, in my opinion, that it’s hard to use a character tied to a faction identity and have them do anything interesting without affecting one faction more than the other.
Thrall - Easily no longer a horde mainstay post Cataclysm. He’s not affiliated in the same way as when he was warchief and is more concerned with azeroth as a whole.
Garrosh - Horde were robbed of a warchief here due to bad writing and forced “orcs are always basically bad” writting.
Vol’jin - Again, Horde players were robbed of probably the best warchief option at the start of legion just to set up…
Sylvannas - Same as garrosh but worse. Bad writing, plenty of chances to add depth to her issues and story but nada, just a hand wringing “i’m evil now for real this time” villain.
Varian - Useless. Did nothing and died for no real reason (thanks greymane). Had some cool appearances but really did nothing.
Jaina - probably the next to lose their minds and go crazy, lord knows that’s been set up and forgotten over and over again.
Anduin - Went from a tiny little crybaby to being an abuse victim. Hasn’t done anything worth being called “king” outside of being Varians son.
Greymane - JUST DO ANYTHING COOL PLEASE!!! The last neat thing he did was break Sylvannas’s lantern thing and it ended up not mattering.
Also Vol’jin again because I cannot get over how dirty he was done by Blizzard.
How many years has it been since those wars? 80 something years. 4th War happened what, 4-5 years ago?
Also notice that Berlin got invaded, bombed, occupied, and divided between Allies and Soviets. Or how Japan got firebombed and nuked twice. Or how the latter had its government remade. Alliance didn’t conquer Orgrimmar despite the title earned by Alliance players, nor did Alliance drop any mana bombs on any Horde cities nor set fire to any of them. The worst they’ve done was invade Dazal’alor, and they didn’t even do any lasting damage, aside from killing their king. It was something players been doing to other faction leaders since Classic.
And how many times must Blizzard make up new factions and bad guys to fill the role of big bad? How many more Zovaals and Fyrakks are we gonna fight? How many more rebellions must we help? What next, we revisit the Black Empire and meet friendly Faceless Ones?
Thrall is a coward. Abandoned both Horde and Azeroth to spend time with his family in Outland. I had a whole rant about that a while ago and so many APPROVED.
Agreed. They should’ve killed off Thrall instead, given Metzen announced his retirement…
How many years after WW II was NATO formed? I believe it was 4 years.
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I think there is a lot that can still be done as part of the “faction conflict” that isn’t just alliance vs. horde.
For example, pockets of the alliance and/or horde that are just zealots for their side and refuse to acknowledge the new status quo. Sort of like how the scarlet crusade sat out in the fringes. On some level this is what SoO was (sort of).
Honestly, I think it will make for better story telling. Oh we all hate each other, but wait new big bad means we all team up, then rinse and repeat for almost 20 years.
Honestly I loved this scene and story. I love the idea of the Alliance / Horde as a whole being on cooperative terms but factions like Greymane just being like “Nah, I’m gonna murder all the Forsaken. I’m gonna make 'em dead again”
So what’s WoW’s version of NATO then? All I’ve seen is a truce.
Story took a back seal long time ago and most folks play both factions.
I’m here to get loot and cool mog and mounts. I don’t really care about the burned down tree and hope we can move past it to what imo are more interesting stories of political intrigue on both the Horde and Alliance.
The Stormwind bonf…park showed us that.
All of it just trying to chase some modern market that isnt going to show up. Threw their playerbase under the bus. And eventually the pendulum will swing back as it always does.
And then what ? Sounds like a bad move.
They do trip up on requiring a villain be part of a faction. However stringing out a faction war just to have one is only going to give us more bad writing.
Honestly most of this boils to bad writing. Zovaal and Fyrakk could have been more enjoyable villains with better writing.
Get a few drinks in my and I’ll rant in agreement with you on this more likely than not.
Honestly there was no reason for either faction leader to die within the first 15min of legion. Of the two lost though horde got the short end for sure.
call it whatever helps you sleep at night.
I’d rather “Explore new territory, meet new people, solve their problems, and bring them together against the big bad.” a hundred more times, than deal with Yet Another Siege Of Orgrimmar to depose a Yet Another Stupidly-Written Cartoon Villain Horde Leader AGAIN. You got to do it twice in a row.
that’s really not enough for you?
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people need to remember that this is a game first and foremost. whatever is best for the game should trump lore (which is fiction)
So trade one dull story over another times infinity?
I mean, you could make your own story in WoW if you so wish. No one is stopping you.
Blizzard didn’t stop the guys who made that WC2 mod from Reforged. They didn’t stop the MOBA genre being born from their game.
I already have an alternate retelling of BFA in my head. Its needs a lot of polishing though.
The hatred for Shadowlands says otherwise…
NATO exists to protect the interests of its members. So saving Azeroth leadesr from the Jailor and defending the dragons is in the interest of the Alliance/Horde super alliance.
You still didn’t answer my question. What’s Azeroth’s equivalent of NATO? Legionfall? The Kirin Tor?
And funny that you call it a Super Alliance. This just confirms that the Horde is more or less non-existent and just another member of the Alliance.
The equivalent of NATO would be the leaders of the Alliance and Horde along with the Champions (i.e. us).
And no, you are confusing proper names with group names. When we talk about “The Alliance” that is the proper name of the alliance of humans, night elves, dwarfs, etc. When we talk about the Horde that is the proper name of the alliance off Orcs, Blood Elves, Undead, etc.
Those two alliances (group name) consisting of The Alliance (proper name) and The Horde (proper name) have combined to form a new alliance (group name)
It’s all about the context in which the word “alliance” is used.
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See how they treat their people.
Westfall…a crap hole still.
Gnomes still in a shanty shack town.
No reparations paid to the night elves. Not one copper was paid.
This is what the supposed nobility got us. Defias wasn’t wrong completely, their ideals had some basis. It was a flawed execution. As lacking the corruption of onyxia…we just see the nobles of sw are inbred blue blood morons.
So what do you propose the war be caused by? Keep in mind the current standing of the factions with one another with your proposal.
War is fine, peace is fine. What I’d like to get away from is terrible formulaic writing like a CW show. So if there is a good reason and story for war. War. Until then. Peace.