Not really, ruining means making it unplayable and completely not fun.
Bad just means degrading it for a short period of time in this context. Mainly because it just keeps continuously progressing, store mounts (fine everyone else is doing it), WoW token (fine everyone else is doing it), Early access (fine everyone else is doing it), so what comes next?
Not mad about it, keep projecting.
It sounds stupid when you Omit that the early access is only available in the most expensive pack and not all pre-orders.
This is not Blizzard thinking about those people… That statment is purely optics and you bought it just like the Deluxe pack…
Blizzard put the 3 day early access in the $90 plus dollar pack to push people to buy the more expensive version via FoMo plain and simple… If you think differently or buy their PR statement than I admit there is nothing I can say that will change that because you need to wake up before that could happen.
So in this post where you’re telling me they’re not ruining the game, you’re describing to me a perceived slippery slope situation where the game gradually but continually gets worse over time?
But it’s not ruining it?
Im pre ordering regardless. I have no opinion on it
Yes slippery slope, never said ruining. They haven’t ruined it yet, I don’t believe ruining to be continuous in this context rather it’d be something that happens if they ever introduce something to the game that does. Just an observation of the route they’re taking.
You seem to be confusing “people who work 40 hours a week and commute 2 hours a day” with “people who have no money”.
This is an extra incentive for people who have the money but don’t have the time.
There is absolutely a “Blizzard makes more money from doing this” element as well that, not only have I not denied or ignored, I have acknowledged.
What this is is a way for Blizzard to make more money, give people an option to play over the weekend instead of starting on a Monday, and hurt absolutely nothing in the process.
I wish this weren’t true, but it’s true. 
See, now for me, this hilarity is all part of the fun! 
Everyone is on a talkie program, we laugh and chat, we squee about whatever cool thing we saw before the server hamster died, we all have snacks, and we all keep refreshing until someone says “oh! oh! there are servers again!” At which point we log in and laugh about HOW it’s lagging… “gee, is my horse supposed to be two feet to the left of me while I’m mounted?”
I would never miss launch night and it’s only half for the game itself. 
They kind of sort of have in the past, with early access to certain elements of various expansions. Demon hunters come immediately to mind. Until the expansion launch, they were only available to people who had pre-purchased Legion. I don’t remember how long it was, but I want to say it was at least a week. (Anyone else remember to fact check this?)
So while that is not exactly early access to the expansion areas themselves, that is still an example of early access to a big important piece of expansion content.
It’s in the more expensive pack because if it came in the base pack, everyone buying the game would have it and all that does is change the release date, as opposed to being “3 days early”.
I’m going to be super-honest, people need to calm the hell down – not just here, but in all areas of life. I’m so tired of so many people flying into righteous tizzies left, right, and center because of obviously stupid things which don’t matter. Calm the hell down, everyone. Take a damn breath. Re-evaluate the quality of your priorities. Seriously.
In the case of this, as many people have already pointed out, it’s likely the servers will have decent downtime anyhow. Even if they don’t, all the things which AREN’T WORKING for the people who get in 3 days early have a decent chance of being fixed by actual launch day. This means people starting on actual launch day MIGHT HAVE THE BETTER GAME EXPERIENCE. Think about it.
So don’t. You don’t agree with it, don’t buy it. Other people have their own reasons they want the pack, reasons which might have nothing to do with the 3 days, and those people are allowed to decide how to spend their own money. Stop trying to impose your financial decisions onto other people.
And I wish everyone would stop going on about the “psychological manipulation” because when you can SEE IT and RECOGNIZE IT, like with all advertising, it suddenly loses it’s power. I speak from experience as someone whose parents gave me Consumer Reports Kids as a child, which lifted the veil from advertising and I literally felt advertising lose it’s power over me. (I don’t know if it still exists, but I’m so damn grateful to have had Consumer Reports Kids.)
Every individual person gets to decide their own values for the things in the pack. See, in this case, I agree with you on the boost because of all the ones I’ve ever had, I’ve used one and the others are sitting on my account. But I place value on the toy pet and the toy, so those are not $0 to me.
Literally, I looked at the list of things and the first things my eyes went to were the toy pet and the sandbox toy, then the 30 days of game time, which tells me the price actually works out as lower than what is listed. Done. If only the 3 days were listed as extra, I wouldn’t have bought it.
(Super honest, the exclusive races also made me super-hyped. 
I didn’t list it only because those are also available to second level and aren’t exclusive to the $90 version.)
Duh. Of course. They’re targeting a new demographic of players. Had they just put toy pets and toys, the players only interested in free game time wouldn’t have bought the pack. Had they just put the game time, people interested only in cosmetics would have shrugged and passed. They’re trying to offer something for everyone attached to it.
This breaks down to: Some people who would have otherwise not been interested are mad that they’re now interested and have a decision to make.
This should be the bottom line for everyone. Each person gets to pick and there’s no moral issue either way.
I think you are conflating having no money with choosing to not make poor decisions with your money… Just because you have money doesn’t mean you have to buy the most expensive thing available…What is that? It sounds like a recipe for debt…
There are 3 versions. D4 put early access in two of them, WoW put it in only one after seeing how effective it was at selling higher packs in D4.
I’m tired of greedy corporations doing awful unnecessary things.
I could also let them know I hate what they’re doing since this is a forum for feedback.
If enough people do, it does actually change things at times. Just starting the ball off, hope more people rage at them over the next year.
I didn’t say you had to buy the most expensive edition, in fact I explicitly stated it was an option, as in, optional.
You were the one that brought up the people who work 40 hours a week and commute 2 hours a day as being disadvantaged because they don’t have the time to commit to WoW that some others do. That’s where this option allows those people to play on the weekend, provided they’re willing to pay for it.
If you’re not willing to pay for it because you don’t think it fits in your budget and it would be a poor decision with your money, that’s fine, you just won’t play early access.
It wasn’t meant to be a treat for people with low incomes or people who are unwilling to pay for it.
It was meant to be an added incentive. It represents a potentially mutually beneficial option for both Blizzard and those players. Blizzard makes more money, and some people who don’t have time to play it the first week because they work 40 hours a week and commute 2 hours a day now have a weekend to level up when they do have the time.
But again, there’s no progression content available to convey a long term competitive advantage to the people who do play early, so if you’re one of those that won’t buy it for whatever reason you cite, that’s fine, you will be caught up in the first week (or two) of a 78 week expansion, if you want to be. It’s a non-issue all around.
Hold on to that place you created… Motives of corporations are much darker in reality.
It’s all just excuses anyway.
I run a software development department for a major healthcare billing company. I have 4 kids, 2 girls and 2 boys, both boys in Tae Kwon Do and scouts. I have a very fulfilling married life, a proper slice of Apple Pie.
None of that has ever prevented me from achieving my goals in game. If anything, I feel like it sets me up to fully focus on the game when it’s time instead of worrying about whittling my life away.
If enough people cared about it, it would change. But they don’t. So it won’t. It’s really as simple as that.
It is that simple which is why some are voicing discontent…my question is, why are those who are fine with it so concerned about discrediting those that are not? If it’s that simple…
I just call out soulless virtue signaling when I see it. People aren’t mad. They were told to be mad. “Oh, blizzard introduced this standard practice that tons of games have been doing for more than a decade, but I’m mad about it now”. How dare they try to drum up box sales.
Really? And then the inability to articulate a reason for the outrage is equally frustrating. Oh, it’s evil? It’s greedy? Why? Because some outrage peddler said it was. That’s why.
Everything on the internet is straight to 11. Some company sells something you don’t agree with? OUTRAGEOUS. Remember when not buying something you don’t agree with was how you expressed your disinterest in it? Not that’s not enough. You don’t like the pizza guy in your town; it’s not enough you don’t buy his pizza. You don’t want anyone else to, either, and you want his business to go under. Your girlfriend left you? Not enough to just let that one alone, time to smear her reputation and catfish her till she leaves town.
This reaction is so far above and beyond reasonable, it warrants being called out.
Because so far the reasons people have given me for why it shouldn’t be in the game when I ask are easily debunked and the only thing left is your feelings about how things should be, which is not a compelling reason.
“It gives people an advantage”
-Not any meaningful ones, they took those mechanics away
“People don’t have time to play”
-Early access begins on a weekend so those people have time
What else?
You’re a lost cause dude you can stop with the bother.
I’d actually argue you’re the lost cause here. I’ve already stated I don’t care if it’s there or not. Doesn’t make a bit of difference to me.
You and others like you are the ones in here clamoring for it to be removed, and I’m asking you why. It’s on you to provide compelling reasons, but you haven’t been able to yet, you just keep spewing the same stuff about how I’m some kind of shill and Blizzard is only doing it to make more money (which I literally agreed with earlier).
You’re just yelling into the void at this point. You can’t come up with anything new or compelling to explain why it’s bad and needs to be removed. You say you want to give feedback so maybe it’ll change? If your feedback can’t even stand up to my scrutiny, Blizzard isn’t going to care about it. You need to actually come up with some reasons that matter. Otherwise your “feedback” is useless to Blizzard, and they won’t change a thing.
I’m not mad either… I’m just pointing out that a time will come in the next few years where I think you may wish your favorite game wasn’t tapping your bank account like a mobile game…because it will and you will have no one to blame. Trust me I’m not virtue Signaling… I voice my opinion out of my own self-interest… Being a “good guy” is not on my radar.
I have been gaming for 35 plus years and have seen the change at every stage, so I have a pretty wide view of this thing. We clearly don’t see the same trajectory.
Just stop, last word Andy… Not reading it.
Why do you keep trying to get the last word in yourself?
I’m having a discussion here with the things you say. If you want me to stop replying to the things you say, stop saying things.
Or, honestly, if you just admitted you just want to scream into the void about how upset you are with the direction Blizzard is going and you don’t intend to provide any reason or meaningful solutions, just say that so I and everyone else can treat you like that.
But if you wanna have a big boy conversation, start making big boy points.