2H frost. and its gone

So just because something exists you cant, there is no ability, to investigate on if it did? That is so wrong I dont even know where to start.

You do understand the playstyle wouldnt be different than what we have in place right now. If weapon restrictions were lifted that would be it. We can also equip a 2h weapon and compare damage numbers between 2h and DW and they are almost identical. 266 weapons without versa and the difference was 15 damage.

So if they would be identical in damage output and playstyle, again going off of just lifting weapon restrictions, then we can know what the differences are. An extra rune for DW which it has always had, and KM procs, and then you have DW crit mechanics.

You cannot do it, because there is no evidence leading you to say that it would be a 30% increase over DW. DW has Razorice and Fallen Crusader. 2h only has Fallen Crusader, that means that DW has 15% more frost damage.

You are so wrong its hilarious. This is just more evidence that you 2h people have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Its not even that hard and I find it very difficult that anyone cant understand it.

You’ve played this new 2h frost!? awesome! How is it?

Tell us more about how it plays! is it identical or just really close? Man I am so excited about 9.0 now!

Interesting, How did Blizzard manage to make up the difference in the new 2H spec?

Please, enlighten us with more details about the new spec! I can’t wait to give it a try in beta!

Obviously, you haven’t played a 2H frost spec destined for 9.0, so please stop claiming all these ‘facts’.

stay classy…

Again, I don’t need you to figure out how it won’t work, because you are not a dev. This is my hope (yet again):

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You can quote mine me all you want to make me say whatever you want. So what? There are key words that you are either ignoring or dont know the definition of. Most does not mean all like you are making it seem.

No, the weapon choice is not the spec, its your personal preference. The spec is Frost which is built around DW. Dont like it? Tough.

It has already been established that Frost had Nerves of Cold Steel from launch. Or are you just leaving that entire thing out to make your argument look better?

You never showed that DW was continuously buffed, you showed abilities being buffed which were applied to both DW and 2h and anything prior to MoP your narrative that “frost strike is DW focus” doesnt actually hold up because it wasnt the focus.

You are just taking across the board buffs and nerfs and trying to make that fit your narrative.

You didnt provide any logs to support those claims when it was asked of you either did you. Not to mention Monkiy said you were wrong and went into how you were wrong so why arent you quoting that? Or does that also conflict with your narrative?

What you just quoted does nothing but show that abilities were buffed or nerfed. That means its a overall spec buff or nerf. Its really not that hard to understand.

I WISH dude… But it looks like it’ll never be so unless we both have the ignore function back, and can somehow let the devs hear us out and remove the weapon restrictions. Adding weapon restrictions was one of the worst things that ever came out of WoW, and part of why I hated Legion so much. The other reasons are another story of course, but one or more of them involves Frostmourne.

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Are you just going to troll? If so ill just flag and move on.

So, I think part of the issue is if they bring 2H Frost back, they either can’t delete DW Frost or they have to make 2H Frost artifact content. Otherwise, Legion becomes unplayable for Frost.

I’m sure they can work around it somehow if they want to.

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I wanna let DW stay of course, but I agree they need to work out something for Legion if 2h Frost returns. I think they can find a way around it though. But for now, I think loosening the artifact spec restrictions for both the artifacts themselves, and their tmogs could work temporarily. If not, I dunno. But I would like to talk about that a bit more if possible.

Go ahead and talk about it. This is the place.

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They could certainly just leave it as is. Legion won’t even really be part of levelling in 9.0 anyway. Most people will be encouraged to start in BfA content. They of course will have the option to level via the expansion of their choice. If they do choose Legion, they could pursue artifact weapons (DW only), or use a 2H and just forget about the artifact weapons. Casters can do this already (2H staff vs MH/OH).

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Yeah, this is a good point. Don’t need artifacts to level through Legion anymore.

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I must say though, that mage tower was a really cool addition to the game. I loved working to get those weapon mogs that I really wanted.

They seem to have been really popular.

I only completed the UH challenge, and it felt like I did something great.

It would be nice if they made something like that again.

Maybe Torghast will have a bit of that magic.

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Actually legion is a interesting point - how does Legion content work right now? As I recall Sindragosa"s Fury was a artifact power - so does it still exist and serve no purpose on TBoTFP?

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artifact weapons have no abilities now. they serve as normal weapons except for the relic slots you can put into them which just increase ilvl

Good point. I think we can save restoring Frostmourne for real when we reach the Shadowlands instead of making new content for Legion anyway. Besides, like you said, we can just use a normal 2h instead of going after artifact weapons in Legion.

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You would have to change or add to the existing loot table for an expansion that has already run its course. How many times has Blizzard really went back to content that is already finished? As a business, its not wise for them to go backwards into stuff that is over with instead of going forward. Heirlooms are a thing, and if people want to level through Legion then they have to accept that they are going to have to deal with that system.

With how they explained leveling, at least with alts, you can choose where you want to level until you get to 50. I dont think they really went into detail about new person leveling. It could just be 1-50 in old world Azeroth and then 50-60 in Shadowlands and then alts have the freedom to go to other areas.

Toggling two handed weapons in drops is not hard.
Thank god this isn’t an indie game company that’s broke.

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Alright, what visual are they going to use that is representative of that expansion? And are they going to do that just for 2h so 6 people can play how they want through an expansion that just doesnt matter anymore other than transmog runs?

Just dont play through it unless you want the artifact. You have WoD to go through, Mop, Cata, BFA, Wrath, TBC. You are going to have freedom of where you want to level, you dont have to go through Legion.

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If you’re talking about Legion, you just use the dual wield swords. That’s the nature of the expansion. Otherwise, they just use whatever two handers warriors can find.

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Or, just use the heirloom weapons. I don’t even bother with the artifact weapons when levelling in Legion now, just use the heirlooms.

That does not work for brand new players maybe, but the Legion quest-lines for the artifacts are some really cool content, so it would be no big deal. Levelling is going to be fast, and they would only be ‘stuck’ using 2 1handers until 50.

These brand new players will be encouraged to level via BfA content anyhow.

All in all, I would chalk this up as a non-issue

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