I’m sure there were people who played AV in 1.5. Was it a played BG? No.
Only a very small % played in raids. Were they played content?
Except the version of AV they are asking for lasted a month… that’s it…
This is 100% #nochanges crowd moving the goal posts
Vanilla only lasted a couple years out of 15. That’s it.
You forgot this part…
I forgot nothing. I am quite able to remember lies and misrepresentations made by obvious trolls.
“We want Vanilla #nochanges!!! Wait you mean we are getting 1.12 class balance but 1.12 AV… NO WE WANT 1.5 AV because feelings” #nochangesWind
I am quite able to remember lies and misrepresentations made by obvious trolls.
The only real issue id have with 1.12 AV is if the honor gain eclipses that of WSG and AB and everyone ends up just ranking in AV. I personally hate av, all versions of it, its pve masked as pvp and the only fun I’ve ever gotten out of it has been helping some friends disrupt games by turtling. So I would prefer to spend as little time in it as possible and spend more time in WSG/AB.
It’s like trying to debate with a centrist. You can never put then in a corner with their own narrative or with logic because they’ll just pretend there is no corner.
In the end, the people that complain on every move Blizzadd makes, will still play and enjoy themselves come summer. They are just bored waiting and want to do anything classic-related.
Just like I have been doing since vanilla’s release? Oh wait that’s right, I have not been subbed for quite a long time.
You know to do that you have to…
Set up a turtle…
Which let’s you farm honor faster than other BG’s.
Who are you? Also who asked that?
Who are you?
outrage culture boys
https://web.archive.org/web/20041223182307/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds.html
We tried very hard to create a battle experience that felt like Warcraft; we want you to feel like you are part of a larger conflict, with the potential for lots of strategy and tactics beyond a simple mob of players crashing into each other.
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When BC was released, they scaled the remaining max level AV NPCs - flag guards, etc. - to level 70. That made it impossible to race rush while the characters were still in their 60s.
Hi, only just found this thread now.
I’m Josh. This is the only account I ever post from, and I hardly ever post here on the official forums. I can assure you I’m not the OP.
And I’m a random welfare Australian, which isn’t located in Europe last I checked.
Kisses xx
Let us restate the obvious. Alterac Valley was originally intended to be open world content. It was instanced as a trim simulation of open world PvP, something that is well known as an epic failure feature in WoW. Players who impersonate Vanilla WoW fans need to stop sharding on <1.12 AV fans, because earlier versions (like 1.5, which is oft mentioned) are closer to the original intent, being the only successfully implemented version of OWPvP-ish content. Literally, no one hates 1.5 AV except modern WoW defenders who conspire to destroy the hype of Classic WoW.
Here is one more truth bomb. The MMORPG genre was under assault for years by an unknown highly influential crowd that crafted the mantra, “no PvE in my PvP.” Now, look at the most successful MOBAs that were derived from MMORPG PvP. Is PvE there? Absolutely! In fact, the best players PvE the hardest.
Yes, there is a place for PvP only scenarios, but the fantasy RPG genre is about battles to dominate areas that also includes NPCs. Name any successful OWPvP game that did not conclude major objectives with a NPC fight, or where NPCs were not interspersed throughout the battlefield.
Those in favor of 1.5 AV are not ignoring anything. They are the ones that know the most.
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A 28 minute video is not required to know that 1.12 is the wrong decision.
Actually, as evidenced by the wowservers subreddit, most private server creators were in it for the “donations” and cosmetic shops.