“you are trying to lawyer so hard” = you are making good points but anyway sorry bro just don’t do it
pathetic
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Unsupported, but completely allowed. Anybody banned for it, is wrongly banned. Do you disagree?
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I think a part a lot of players want to hide is that bots farm a huge chunk of things they buy on the AH, and purchased gold is used to buy nearly all the rares they sell.
So they are happy with how RMT benefits them and say ‘don’t look at the AH that’s fair game’ but freak out over GDKPs / xserver trades.
As long as gold buyers / sellers aren’t managed by blizzard and players keep buying gold - the economies will be wild, no micromanaging gdkps /xserver trades will stop that. But messing with those activities does harm real players that want to play legit and don’t want to sit around farming like peasants.
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Just don’t swap gold then.
“your honor i would like to suggest that while the prosecution does make some good points, i would counter argue that they are trying to lawyer and maybe they just shouldn’t have participated in a completely lawful act if they didn’t want to be randomly jailed”
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So playing the game as designed, farming your consumes or mats is farming like a peasant?
Except you’re just not. You’re talking in circles.
Unsupported doesn’t mean illegal. Again its “use at your own risk”.
Which really means, if you wanna trade your wrath gold which you have an abundance of, with your buddy, for SoD gold, go for it. But using random third parties is PROBABLY a bad idea.
It’s like buying a TV out of the back of a van in an alley and then telling the cops “I didn’t know it was stolen.” You can “lawyer” them all you want, but we both know how that’s gonna end up.
Van. Alley. TV.
Yeah, if you are a good raider you can get paid in GDKPs. If you are an early gamer you can capture rare recipes, etc.
If you are grinding flowers for every raid, that is what I call ‘farming like a peasant’
Some people enjoy it, but I rather pvp and show up to raid when I want fully consumed without having to run around the world hitting nodes and killing ogres for cloth.
at the end of the day there is no logic to these, they’ll just say “u should have known better” or “don’t do it”, there’s no answer to “how can i be responsible for something i didn’t and couldn’t know was happening”, they’ll use the “back alley van” analogy as if i can tell i’m trading someone who is “back alley van man” or completely legit over world of warcraft. Just plain silly and they know it.
Again with the circular argument. GDKPs are a massive point of distribution of botted gold. Everyone knows it.
Look man, smarter people have already tried to win this argument and lost. I’m not trying to keep going with you. Here’s some reading material.
“im not going to attempt to do logic, i’m going to link you to a guy who agrees with you”
really owned me there, i agree blizzard can’t “turn a blind eye” that’s why its a hole in their ToS and should absolutely be against the rules
I wouldn’t say they lost, a lot of blizz responses in that thread are extremely dismissive and shortsighted.
I think time will show that they were wrong. They either need to ban the activity or manage their automated ban systems to not falsely flag people for doing something that is ‘unsupported’.
We all know xserver trades are at our own risks, but expecting players to be able to ‘validate’ the gold of the other party is against basically everything a digital world is about. We are supposed to interact with people we don’t know. Players aren’t losing because other players are scamming them - blizzard’s systems is falsely flagging those trades and players are catching false positive bans. Again, if they cannot tune their systems, they should BAN the activity, not expect the impossible from players, that is a ridiculous stance to set.
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Don’t worry. I’m fairly certain that gold swaps across game versions will be banned soon enough - just as soon as they track back all those gold trails to the points of origin. Microsoft is simply not going to tolerate a multi-million dollar gold botting operation that destroys its product and takes money out of their wallet.
Yeah. Customer support. Go argue with them. lmao
braincells would do this, something critically lacking in
hahahahaha oh wow
Have people been banned for swapping gold before they came up with their silly anti GDKP test?
Even at its height, GDKPs are probably not 20% the ‘distribution of botted gold’ as the auction house is.
The auction house can be tracked, every single copper. Player to player trades are an entirely different thing.
The problem is:
- Everyone doing this KNOWS this is a method that botters/rmt/scammers/thieves use to move illicit gold. It’s been a thing for years.
- They choose to still engage in this activity, knowing very well the gold -could- be illicit
- Then they try to claim plausible deniability.
- Blizzard laughs and bans them.
They don’t want you to validate anything. They (I’m assuming) only want you to trade with people you actually -know- (Yes, I understand there’s still inherent risk there.) This is also why its listed as “unsupported”.
They’re not false positive bans. People are receiving gold from sources they should have a reasonable suspicion that the gold -could- be illicit. And when those sources ARE illicit, those players get banned. Just be honest. You don’t care. You don’t care that its illicit. You just want the gold. BE HONEST. This conversation/argument would be so much easier if y’all were just honest. You 100% don’t care where the gold came from, just like in the GDKPs. You turn a blind eye because you’re making money easier than any “legitimate” method.
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