i bet khadgar has deep freeze
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Deep freeze is lame if I would want a stun it would be KaelāThas gravity crush spell instead. Thats more mage like
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Having trouble staying grounded? 
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Bring back KaelāThas =(
If they brought Deep back I would play my mage again in a heartbeat.
But thereās a reason they havenāt brought it back. The design of it isnāt setting up shatter combos like it used to unfortunately. They ruined the spec in Legion imo when they revamped it and tried to make it viable in PvE (it was always the PvP spec).
But either way Mage design is so bad this xpac its atrocious. Even the PvEers donāt like current mage. Fire is a shadow of what it once was. Frostās a dampener spec now in PvP compared to the glass cannon setup class it used to be. In PvE they play no lance build and spam frostbolt lol. Class needs a big rework like ret got.
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Deep freeze doesnāt really address terrible spec design.
People arenāt playing mage because its missing a stun, they arenāt playing it because there is nothing fun about it.
All 3 specs are sorely missing something that makes it feel fun/appealing to play. Not saying it needs a ret fotm rework to attract people but an overall playstyle/theme to each that feels good to play or enjoyable.
No is plunking PVE fire damage and having fun with its numbers
No one spamming frostbolt and having fun with its 2 button playstyle
No one is running around on arcane having fun
Fire is fun to jump around on and outplay people best you can with but lacks damage and compelling talents or any sort of talent tuning beside that
Frost is back to spamming frostbolt endlessly or icelancing with orb on hybrid build
Arcane is way to complex and hardly rewarding for the average player compared to much simpler classes that are absolute powerhouses above it.
Like sure you can one trick one of the 3 specs and stand out a bit but lets be real for the average player on say arcane, they wonāt come close to the threat level of an average demo. Even a really good arcane mage just isnāt the same tier as a meta caster that can control lobbies and be constant lethal damage threats. Like ya you can win/outplay no one is denying it but the amount of effort it takes to overcome rather medicore enemies isnāt what most people are about.
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I agree but it kinda makes specs without complete kits feel bad in comparison. Not sure if they will ever fix this.
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I think this is the core of most mage complaints tbh. There is more to WoW then 3v3 arena, theres 2s, skirms, bgs, rbgs, duels, wpvp, epic bgs, shuffle. Finding yourself in a fight with a more complete class in isolated fights often leaves anyone who plays a mage and isnāt a hardcore main super frustrated and posting complaints.
The 3v3 focused and glad xp crowd finds any sort of buff to RMP or making RMP god tier with mage related buffs appalling and readily roasts any mage who posts wanting it. Which has its merits albeit but puts the class and people who enjoy it in a tough spot.
Player A. I have stuns, heals, mortal strike, executes and I can kill you with raw pve damage without landing a CC. Good luck survivng me
Player B. Iām a mage can haz stun so I can fight too?
Player A. RMP!!! MAGE DOMINANCE SINCE VANILLA! YOUR BAD L2PLAY!!!
Typically how I observe those conversations unfolding.
Or it was just some 500-1800mmr mage who got reamed by any other spec in bg wanting to feel like they have a more clear win condition in 1v1
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Yeah, I donāt think mage has been fun playstyle wise in a long time. Strong yes but fun no. Lots of people here see no difference between fun gameplay and being OP.
Well the ret rework showed us fun gameplay = skyrocketing rating, cracking skulls and being OP which thousands quickly rerolled to participate in. Canāt say your not having fun when your an absolute menace.
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yeah firemage needs a rework just like boomy needs its 9th rework they can never seem to just have specs just be fine them bringing back the eclipse system made me hate boomy and i think fire mage has just been the same for what 3 xpacs now?
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Is Frost unfun? Itās kind of what people asked for after SL, no?
frost just spams icelance for 3-4min in arenas they dont even really cast anymore
i wouldnāt call that funā¦
why cast frost bolt when icelance hits just as hard
Iād say so. Itās pretty low pop for a class thatās strong right now. Spamming 1 button for most of your damage all game is pretty lame.
A lot of classes have this kind of problem imo but mages have it bad. Thereās always one spell that does the bulk (30%+) of your damage for most classes/specs.
I guess? Frost bolt, ice lance, flurry, ring of fire seemsā¦fine?
Fire has had the same problem all of BFA/SL
Zero talent synergy
Horrible talents
Awful everything
Bad mastery scaling/useless mastery
What made it so successful was a billion damage crammed into combust
CDR for combust
Triune + Shield healing
Greater Pyro no CD/Corruptions
BFA S1 master blaster
Take all that away and its just the same pile of junk its been i mean who ported this over for another expansion and talent tree rework and said āSEEMS FINE TO ME!!ā
one example of many
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come on setback stop making the images smaller, I was VIEWING
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Itās easy to accidentally blow up your post with a monitor sized image. 
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Think about how many scorchs you would have to cast to kill someone if you wanted to play mobile and your running around scorching for crits into fb pyro or something.
with an average FB of 20-25k and pyro of 35-45k crit and 20-23k non crit.
No wonder everyone fotm ret paladins and warlocks.
Ret paladin outdps fire mage from range now lol.
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I just went on wowarenalogs and picked 2 random 2700+ frost mage games to get their damage breakdowns for the frostbolt and icelance spec
Just imagine the gameplay not the strength, doesnāt seem fun to have all your power in 1 spammable ability or in spamming frostbolt, other classes have a bit more going for them. I get a lot of gameplay for mages in arena is about setting up cc chains but current arena seems more focused on damage and having a fun rotation seems more important than ever.
I also think having more depth to mage dps would make the class more fun to fight too. How boring is it when you fight mage/lock and all you see is frostbolt or icelance spam.
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