She wouldn’t need to. She could attack Stormwind, raise its population and deal with UC and Org after. Every death on the Alliance side would be a potential undead on hers. With Stormwind gone the Alliance would have little in the way of support.
A couple of lines in a novel that were never followed up on isn’t really proof of caring. I know you’re mostly just being snide, but over the course of the game, she’s actually demonstrated much more clearly that she cares about the Forsaken’s future than she does about this supposedly cherished goal of blighting Stormwind. It’s just that we’re supposed to ignore all that evidence now that they want us to hate her.
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Accurate.
Also accurate, and frustrating.
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Woh… you didn’t pull your punches did you with that one… snap I could almost visualize your character taking his glove and slapping Zero cheack with that last one, like the old noble cliché movies and cartoons. lol
Cursewords is definitely an earn name! 
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Yeah, tons of screen time after being the architect of his third attempted genocide and telling people honour matters, what 3-4 x fully animated cinematics plus in game things, dying a hero and getting honoured as the man who brought stability and peace back to the Horde and having the boy king of the Alliance sing his praises after carrying his bloody body into Orgrimmar (once again ignoring that he was an architect of one of his allied people’s races mass slaughter).
Yeah. I saw the absolute stupidity of this expansion loving orcs and blaming everything on Sylvanas despite the overeager entire horde army that invaded Night Elf lands. Wasn’t forsaken manning those catapults that torched the elves.
The whole Horde got villain batted this expansion with the War of Thorns to start, but they expect people to just focus on Sylvanas and sort of forget that it wasn’t a forsaken army shipped over that did a lot of terrible crap.
Sadfang was boring and bad. Their resource allocation in the story they wanted to tell was boring and bad. Orcs and Humans are the only ones to really come out of this relatively unscathed. Everybody else got purposely ignored or abused by the writing team and their inability to realize they’re not game of thrones, but some terrible sci-fi channel remake played at 2am.
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Don’t speak for me. I had no such Mary Sue expectations just because I was rolling a Night Elf. The prologue for Vanilla laid it out very clearly just what a precarious position the Night Elves were in following the detonation of Nordrassil and the devastation of the Burning Legion.
The Night Elf situation is much like that of Worf in Star Trek: The Next Generation. he’s big bad and tough, so the Alien of the Week would always prove it’s chops by tossing him like a rag doll.
I’m hoping that at this point, we’re moving into the DS9 phase.
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Saurfang’s story was basically about how the entire premise of the current horde was a hypocritical lie. I wouldn’t call that coming off unscathed at all.
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Oy vey, what a travesty.
Tragic. His orcish honour really came to the forefront and I’m so glad he realized this and finally stood again tyranny… after committing another act of genocide.
Lose Saurfang, gain Thrall?
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Yeah, Saurfang’s basically the next Grom.
But meh, Thrall’s been painted as little better. He just has a degree of self-deniability about it. Ultimately the horde’s his own creation and the false ideals were his to hoist on everyone.
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Orc lore got screwed in WoD when they still genocide the Draenei without the fel influence because “future orc man” said so. They’re not gentle giants turned savage due to demons, they’re literally just savages incapable of anything but brutality and war.
In this expansion we skate over the genocide at the front and worry about the optics of Sadfang for half of it.
The story telling in this expansion has legitimately been the worst.
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Side note, but that’s also what happened in the MU. The orcs were never “gentle giants”, and they were never peaceful, they just got way, way worse on the Juice.
I thought they lived in harmony until the fel-Fire nation attacked? My B.
They were never friends with the Draenei, btw. The Draenei mostly were just ignored by orcs like another piece of scenery.
I just don’t understand at what point we started pretending that orcs are nice and friendly, when “savagery and war” are literally part of their race fantasy. Shamanism? Sure. Not killing for the sake of destruction and misery? Okay. HoNoR? Fine. But they’re not “green humans with a dash of Tauren”.
You’re not making sense. If Sylvanas is evacuating Lorderon, which she was, and wasdefending that effort, she can not at the same time launch an attack on Stormwind.
But I want to call your attention to something.
This implies that she would hit SW right after Teldrassil. Did you miss the part in A Good War where both she and Saurfang stated that a frontal assault on SW would be a complete and utter failure? You must have. My point was that instead of falling into Sylvanas, plan of attacking Lorderon while she’s evacuating it, hit Orgrimmar instead. She wound not be able to pivit the evacuation to turn to SW especially which most of the troops locked in battle in Orgrimmar.
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I guess it’s less friends and more “I guess I won’t mobilize to exterminate your people and make a 60 person wide road across half the continent from the bones of your people” sort of deal.
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Look, I’m no fan of Saurfang and would really rather not have had to sit through all those tedious cinematics, but he was explicitly NOT trying to commit genocide in the Fourth War. It was “just” a normal invasion (with crappy justification), and he was expecting to capture and hold Teldrassil, not wipe out every inhabitant.
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Yeah, though, admittedly, that was already during the Fel trip. The original reason for attack in both universes was “they are dangerous because they destroyed one of our settlements/gave us an illness/my dead wife told so/whatever lore is more current” with planted evidence. Influenced by Kil’Jaeden, but at that point 100% demon juice free.
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“Haha Sylvanas is totally normal and won’t do anything wild. Let’s lure out the main night elf forces and wipe clean the forests between us and their tree home. What could go wrong?” And then he stuck with her after for a whole siege of undercity before necromancy(??? Maybe) was the last straw? Whoops.
Whether or not he planned for the burning, he enabled her ability to do so by starting an unjust and stupid war that saw a playable race nearly wiped out and then the Horde suffered as a whole after the fact. He’s an architect, unwittingly, of the genocide attempt and willingly for the slaughter of the people left behind.
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If he’s unwitting, he wasn’t “attempting” genocide.
Like I said, I’m not a fan of his. I just think you’re going too far by insinuating that he was out to wipe out the Night Elves. Stick with his actual problems–there are plenty of them.
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