2 month in, do you now wish Blizz made classic a bit harder?

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He’s clearly delusional. I have absolutely no idea what he’s talking about, as I haven’t posted in or even READ anything in the retail forums at all since about June/July. And that was when I was still using my lvl 120 avatar. As soon as I discovered that you could post on Classic characters, I switched and never looked back. I haven’t touched retail since April and have stated that dozens of times in many other threads.

Will NEVER go back to it either, no matter how few players Classic has later on. If TBC/Wrath come out later as separate servers, so much the better. If not, Classic will be all I’ll ever play again

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No ChAnGeS

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I don’t think what he’s talking about is hard to deduce. He’s convinced himself that no one could disagree with him in good faith. And so some fantasy where people like you and me are Modern players here to actively sabotage Classic by blocking Blizzard from transforming it into…whatever his personal Classic+ dream is, is something he finds easier to accept than reality.

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Your theory does make sense, based on the premise that he hasn’t bothered to delve very deep into the Classic threads in which the #nochanges camp is actively arguing AGAINST retail people about the possibility of changing Classic.

In his responses to me he stated that we were THE SAME group of people, which I took great offense to and vehemently denied and went so far as to prove this through links to a couple of my posts in another thread, and he either didn’t read them, or blatantly ignored them and continued to verbally assault me and my integrity…claiming I wanted to sabotage Classic in favor of getting people to go back to retail, when that is the complete OPPOSITE of my personality and views about the game.

I can’t get enough of Classic and have put in so many hours over the last couple of weeks that my wife has become quite upset with me since I don’t get to bed until 5 or 6am LOL. If I were someone who liked retail more, I’d be playing THAT not spending so much time in Classic.

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“I followed the guide on: BIS gear, which dungeons to run, where to AOE, what talents to pick and came to the conclusion that this game is far too easy.”

For raids multiply that by 40.

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I do wish it was harder. For example, I don’t just want a mob to chase me half way across a zone, I want them to chase me across 10 zones.

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At 4 pm my time, it takes about 45mins to 1.15hrs to log in.

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Yes, those chasing mobs should have 10% more mov speed for every 10% hp you are missing.

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If you want a challenge, play something else. Mage = easy leveling ( spell cleaves 1 level every 2-3 hours). Insane gold making potential. Press 1 button in raids.

Ehhh … No. Just no on increasing difficultly.

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Raids: Yes. You can have 15 great players carry 25 mediocre players.

Dungeons: Hell no. They’re already long enough with one complete moron, and getting loot you need can be excruciating if it’s a long dungeon and you only need the end boss.

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You’ll always need gold, dungeons are great for making gold. That’s always in the back of my mind, so I never feel I’m wasting time doing dungeons and thus I’m always enjoying them.

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You can farm far more gold than a dungeon can offer if you’re looking purely for money. Since I reached Lionheart Helm money, I haven’t farmed at all, but I’ve just been helping guildies gear and playing other games in my scant down time right now.

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I do, but it’s not that bad where it is now. And the truth of the matter is you’re not going to get high-tier raid content in classic unless classic+ happens.

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@Grimmish

You sir are actually the problem not the solution. The game is the game and it does not need to be changed for your enjoyment. Respect others and respect the time. If it were me I would ban you for your toxicity as I have read many of your replies in this forum.

You have the right to your opinion, however, you do not have the right to impose your will to try and make change happen.

Stick to giving feedback and not trying to pull an agenda. If you want a more difficult classic, go make a new forum about that.

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My highest level character is 40 and I have nine chars over 20 - I’m fine with how it is.

No rush.

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Yup. And the DM power creep is real. No wonder why you don’t see people wanting to run Scholo anymore.

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I will do what I aim to do, irregardless if it hurts your feelings or not. I really could care less if you think its toxic. If you don’t like it, ignore it. I’m not going to give you any other choice on that. This is how it is going to be.

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@Grimmish

There will always be choices…

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Few things that need to be said, imo.

1-MC is harder than LFR, not mechanically but simply from how much damage mobs and bosses can do. I think an accurate analysis would be that the damage from bosses and mobs is closer to heroic and even mythic when under-geared, but the mechanics are basically LFR. Screwing up hurts, but not screwing up is pretty darn simple.

2-Vanilla raiding is designed around 25-30 players. The game was never intended to have the super tightly tuned difficulties of today, and I suspect blizzard thought that most guilds would have trouble fielding even 20+ players for each raid due to population and lack of knowledge back in the day.

3-The current patch not only has classes in a far stronger state, but has some nerfs to MC bosses and far better itemization not to mention the limited debuff slots change. Vanilla never actually existed in a state where MC was the endgame content and this easy. Again it was never hard, but we are being given rocket launchers in a raid intended to be conquered with slingshots.

I’m a Bear tank for example, and we are arguably BETTER tanks when initially stepping into MC than Warriors. During this phase of actual vanilla though, Druid tanks as well as many other specs were complete garbage at the time. All Druid specs were garbage actually.

1h weapons were far weaker and actually needed an eventual rework. Fury warriors shouldn’t actually be the gods that they are.

Paladins were buff bots with average
healing early on, not buff bots with godly healing like they currently are.

I understand their hesitation to change anything, but ironically enough…they changed everything. Like I said, the game NEVER existed in a state where MC/Ony were the endgame raids with this kind of itemization, class tuning as well as boss nerfs. Would MC be hard if things were in an accurate, early vanilla state? No, we are far better and more knowledgeable. Would it be the pushover that it currently is? Na, it would have taken people longer to be properly geared and setup.

So yes, I wish they tuned it up to account for the current patch we play on. 50%ish more health, 15% more tank damage, 30% more raid/mechanical damage (Shaz arcane, Magmadar Fire etc.) as I feel it would have given us a more authentic experience.

I would LOVE to see BWL come out and have it be buffed. It’s not until AQ that we will be on a “level playing-field” because AQ was designed for us to walk in with rocket launchers. BWL will be a lot tougher than MC, but we’re still bringing rocket launchers to a gunfight. It will be a bit much for casual players, but players you would consider “Okay” will be able to clear it in a reasonable amount of time.

I understand their hesitation though, but I still hold out hope that BWL will be tuned to account for said differences (it won’t).

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I’d bet that the majority still haven’t even raided. Yeah we’re almost 2 months out and that annoying 1% is now a much larger percentile, but I’d still bet that at least half of the players aren’t 60.
So for myself and the others still leveling, I think we’re content with the way things are