BLizzard,
If you want survival to be a thing you need to give us a stance to chose are we melee or are we ranged. right now you are giving us sooooo many ranged skills buffing the melee ones that people are telling you suck will still not be good after you buff them. Survival should not be 2 melee attacks and 7 ranged. Please tell me you guys are looking at this! just give Hunter a stance like the warrior stance. ranged stance and melee stance. make it so we have to chose what we want in a major city like warmode. But for the love of WOW gods please at least give it 4 melee and 4 ranged so that i at least feel like i am fighting with my pet beside me. You have 2 camps for survival. fix it add a stance or a 4th spec 1 is all melee and 1 is all ranged that will fix your survival issue. I want to fight with my pet Flanking strike felt so good as a builder i really felt like my pet and i could do anything. I want that feeling back. thanks for listening and i hope you consider some of this. Just my 2 cents but what is the harm in trying you have all the assets already. ranged stance is just the old survival those assets already exist. the melee spec can be Legion melee. that is not hard work i hope. Just consider it please.
Whatever your opinion on melee SV is, I think most people are in agreement on this:
The way they are going with SV makes everything they did in Legion utterly pointless. Everything about the spec is just confused and directionless at this point and I’m not sure if Blizzard even knows what their plans are.
All I was hoping for Survival to go back to the Legion creation. Mongoose Bite windows and Fury of the Eagle endings was the most fun I had with Survival.
Almost everything felt…better in Legion. Serpent Sting being part of your regular melee fillers and cleave, Flanking Strike giving a little unique version of a resource builder with the pet, etc.
I would almost say if they retooled the current talent tree and kept the previous abilities and maybe make some passive off the talent tree (Serpent Sting for example), it would have been an amazing spec. Like Hydra Bite could have made Raptor Strike hit two enemies within range off a Lacerate proc.
Damn it, now I miss Legion.
To me survival felt very clunky and unplayable in legion. The bfa version feels much smoother.
I like the way BFA survival plays… but I’ve been theory crafting.
I love the idea of a hybrid melee/ranged survival. With what we know so far… it seems that survival is getting a ton of ranged abilities. What this means is either Survival will be ranged or mixed melee/ranged. I’m hoping it’s the latter, because that is unique. Survival may be viable in raiding again if they mostly ranged with one or two melee abilities…
Someone in another topic mentioned Survival would have to choose between melee or ranged.
- Ranged abilities are more powerful, thus making melee obsolete and unnecessary
- Melee abilities are more powerful, thus making melee obsolete and unnecessary
One solution is to have a longer CD on melee abilities, but have it hit appropriately hard - big spender type abilities so you’d want to use it… but have them on cd… So majority of rotation is ranged. Boom. That would be incredibly fun.
This is a bad idea. What we know so far is that Survival is getting a grand total of…TWO ranged abilities.
Arcane Shot (which will be worthless to cast as Serpent Sting already exists to pull from range and our PRIMARY focus dump is Mongoose Bite). Kill Shot is a non factor because it will be an instant cast fire and forget execute we weave in to our normal rotation in melee.
Having a melee/ranged hybrid would be very obnoxious game-play. Throwing an arbitrary cd on melee abilities solves nothing. We do our rotation from far away, harpoon to do the actual damage of the spec, then disengage to do garbage damage from range? That’s unnecessary and promotes needlessly complex steps to justify being a “melee/ranged” hybrid.
people wanted vanilla sv hunter now you have it. you have majority of range skills and only 1 melee attack.
If you don’t like a melee/ranged hybrid then… don’t play it! Play MM or BM like we have as hunters anyway. I think the hybrid is fascinating for pvp.
To be fair none of the things mentioned today was very specific and SV is in a weird place right now.
I strongly suspect that the SV issue is something that they are purposefully not addressing directly until we hear the detailed news later in the week because a lot of the direction they want to make for classes is in a great contrast to what SV is. SV is very very very different from Marks and BM right now which was the direction in Legion but in Shadow lands they want the class to have a base that the specs build on but this isn’t the case with SV because SV is melee and hunters lost their melee components in MOP which makes SV a logical obscurity going into Shadow Lands.
Still melee… and the band plays on.
i hate people. there is no place for a melee hunter NOT IN REAL LIFE NOR FANTASY. it just does not fit and is stupid asf.
if ever there were a place for any sort of melee hunter its only place would have been in the Beast Mastery Spec where the
BEAST MASTER the beast deals all the damage based on the Hunters commands and or actions ALL MELEE where the beast master is 1 with the animal.
MM needs an insta cast back like chimera shot and some more cool sniper kill shotty abilities ALL RANGED
SURVIVAL needs more toxins and poisons (dots) (explosives) ALL RANGED.
Blizzard just needs to be the bigger man and own up that it was all a mistake and then and only then will we all be able to move forward in peace
Blizzard logic - If to many people play a certain class and or spec that would mean it is extreme 1. awesome 2. fun. so instead of working around that to make other classes equally as awesome or fun so that some of the players can spread out and play other classes, they instead break that awesome fun class / spec. (btw im talking about sv hunter here lol) to get people away from it. the reason i say this because i was one of those thousands of people in that boat : (
that is a mighty strong statement to be so false. I distinkly remember vanilla survival i used melee almost as much as i did ranged cause of the close to the hunter dead zone for ranged. and in my dnd games I play a Melee hunter that fights with his pet so please only make statements that are true for you not for me!! thanks> Blockquote
no Disabled Veteran actually. not attacking you in any way just wanted you to know that My thoughts and fantasies are different then yours. I support you having a different opinion but please do not put your thoughts on everyone. But thanks for taking the time to post to blizzard I hope that they listen to us and figure out what we all want.
Not attacking you but what about “survival Hunter” says Poisons and Explosives to you? Just curious…
I mean, spear hunters are among the oldest form of hunters known to mankind, they either chuck the spear impaling and drop the beast within 30 sec if they strike vital organs, or work together as a small group to encircle and run their prey through.
Though bows, crossbows and guns became more popular because they’re largely either easier to use or safer for the Hunter.
Blizzard missed the mark on survival in terms of fantasy, no one is chucking bombs constantly when hunting, should have gone for a stealthy ambusher approach I think.
Isn’t it still a case of you can use some abilities at range and all abilities in melee. I may have missed it, but is Blizz putting the deadzone back in or something to prevent the use of these abilities in melee?
As for the Legion SV love, I hope it doesn’t go back to that. Legion SV felt very clunky to me. I thought BFA SV had a better flow to it.
old enh had: melee stormstrike, lava lash
ranged: lightning bolt, chain lightning, flame shock, earth shock, frost shock, searing totem, flame nova, elemental blast, unleash elements, flame nova totem
2m vs 10r and nobody called it ranged.
Yet there are people that hunt in melee in real life just for that extra thrill. We got all sorts of fantasy counters, why is someone who wants to hunt in melee so out of place?
I do agree with this, but what happened already happened.
Butchery Only reason why butchery sucks is because no traits buff it. It’s an overlook on design part.
Hydra’s Bite is already a strong talent that will get even stronger so it’s nice.
Steel Trap Amazing pvp ability that got even stronger? Yes please.
Tip of the Spear Is nice for those who hate mongoose bite so it’s also a plus.
Flanking Strike Once again. Pvp utility buff and it’s nice.
Chakrams … Never liked the visuals on this ability so I will skip here.
I do agree there. I also enjoyed legion version of survival more than bfa. Animal instincts play style along with dragonsfire grenade was damn fun and way less tedious than the cookie cutter mok’nathal one
I do think that with current changes SV should swap out into single one hander + bow weapon combo. (perfect time for fantasy I always wanted :P)
Now is 100% the time to implement an option to play Survival at range or in melee. Serpent’s Sting and Wildfire Bomb are both perfectly suitable for either (though Serpent Sting’s DoT needs its duration increased). I don’t mind Kill Shot and even Arcane Shot for both specs, either (though, if Steady Shot doesn’t have some additional functionality, we don’t need it and Arcane Shot).
From there, make it a choice between Raptor Strike/Mongoose Bite with Carve/Butchery, and Arcane/Steady Shot and Multi-Shot with similar functionality to the melee abilities. Replace Kill Command with a leap-less baseline Flanking Strike for Focus regen, and call it a day!
While they’re at it, they can give BM a similar treatment and choice. They wanted hunter to have melee options back in the day. They’re equipped to do it now. So they should. And then we can all just get along.
SV is melee, and is staying melee. Deal with it or move on. We don’t need another three more years of whining.
Arcane and Steady Shot are simply “vestigial” abilities from the leveling process for Survival. I don’t like that it works that way and would prefer that they turn into Raptor Strike and Kill Command. Either that, or have SV go whole hog hybrid and allow their use with the small crossbow.