Hey I’m sure everyone has seen this thread a thousand times, expansion after expansion but I got something to get off my chest. What happened to diversity within specs? Now i don’t mean the 3 specs most classes have but different play styles being available for a spec. For instance back in Vanilla WoW 2H shaman was a popular Battleground class and montage maker many of the shaman videos of Vanilla and the few expansions after that you were still able to use Stormstrike with 2H weapons. Well that has changed and so has the spec, now shamans kit revolves around overcharge which isn’t even a usable passive with a 2H weapon since shamans are not able to use Stormstrike to get the dps and utility benefits it brings. Now some of you are probably thinking just don’t use 2H weapons or wait for Classic WoW but thats not the point of this post my point is that in an RPG I should be allowed to make the choice. I also feel like a choice so simple as deciding between 1 or 2H weapon greatly impacts my game-play. I returned to WoW after not playing since Cataclysm and was hoping to come back and still be able to play it and continue a journey into BFA with a 2H shaman. I had really had my hopes as we lost our artifact weapons going into BFA I was hoping for diversity to come back to weapons in some classes with looser restrictions around weapons. For example; Frost DK 2H, Fury War 1H, Hell even 1H survival hunter(huge reach) but we used to have all these choices as players a long time ago at different points in this games life span. I just feel as players we have helped to keep WoW running for 14 years now some of you(many) putting way more time and $$ into this game than me, and like many of you probably feel like you’re restricted within something like an RPG where you should have the freedom to chose something as simple as what weapon you can use. Why allow us to still equip these weapons if there is restrictions around the abilities within our specs even though in the past these spec weapon pairings weren’t ever too strong and revolved around certain weapons being strong within the meta of the game. I feel no love for my class really and leveling a Shaman it isnt playable in the way that I once enjoyed it in the past which is unfortunate but change happens and I get that, but I just feel like changes to weapon pairings within specs would be a good change to class design in BFA and add a lot of new variables to fights and bring back a lot of the Nostalgia that players love.
Also with the release of Classic dated for this coming Summer it wouldn’t be bad to be bring back some of the weapon diversity that players really enjoyed about Vanilla up to Cataclysm, I think Blizzard would make a lot of players happy in the long run reverting a lot of the one-handed and two-handed restrictions on abilities that were changed over time. Weapon play was huge in Classic and one of the things players are going to be looking forward to diving back into, I don’t think it would hurt to let players get a taste of those freedoms back into their games.
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A little taste of some of the Nostalgia
2h Enhance Shaman
Single Minded Fury
2 Handed Frost DK
Yeah I wish it could happen too. I feel like they probably restrict it so they can control the chaos. They don’t want unforeseen OP things to happen. Which really sucks because it takes away fun just so they don’t have to monitor things as closely.
The one I want the most is single minded fury, but oh well. Prolly never happen again.
They can’t even balance what they, let alone adding in another way melee can play. They are either too lazy, not good enough, or a mix of both. These devs are not very good at what they do.
thank the heavens for classic wow coming in the summer of 2019.
i cant wait for 2hd enhancement to come back.
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they are to busy playing pokiemon on their cell phones to balance things…lmao.
ISo, you can do 2 hander enhancement, you have the choice.
You’re not asking for choice, you’re asking for the game to revolve around your preferences.
There’s a bunch of reasons to not have 2 hand enhance.
But seriously, if you love it so much, just do it.
This. It’s a little rude, but the thing is, you CAN do it. You need to buy a 2h with aging on the AH, spec away from anything that deals with SS or LL, grab all the extra ability talents, go crazy. I’ve mentioned this so much to people wanting 2h shaman, I think I might do some WQs with it tonight. It may be fun, but it will more than likely just be weird.
Its not having the game revolve around ‘my’ preferences I don’t just speak for myself I am not the only one to make the request for this and I have heard it countless times over how players of these specs want these options back. You say you can do 2 hander enhancement, but you can’t really at loss of over half of your kit.
then please list those reasons and don’t hide on a level 10 smurf. Bringing negativity and not actually saying how these changes are negative is a lazy post out of some weird seeded hatred for shamans lol.
As far as I am aware. No spec has the option to pick dual wielding OR two handed anymore. It is one or the other.
Why not let enh fill that roll? Have both 2H and dual wielding part of the shaman kit. One is for speed, lighting strikes… pummel that opponent with blazing speed. The other… Brings down the hammer and rumbles the earth with thunderous strikes.
Would enh be unique if you could be 2h or dual wield… OR crazier idea. Enh can use stances / talent to use 2h OR dual wielding on the fly, Creating a giant stone 2H hammer in once stance, while having a flaming axe and lightning mace in the other stance. Using enh buffs your weapon sets could change… enhance your hammer with fire to become a larger flaming club!
I like my crazier idea but, it would be too hard for blizzard to do since it sounds fun. So… stick to the first choice… yeah?
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The reason classes don’t have the option is balancing issues. Warriors don’t even get SMF anymore. They aren’t even able to balance the single option we have, and 2h enh wss the worst of it. I enjoyed it while it was a thing, but it won’t be coming back to the retail version any time soon.
On a side note, 2h is an option right now, with very little downtime with PvP talents. It isn’t that much fun, but it is available. I was doing about 5k on the dummy, getting about 25k LB crits. WF was only critting for about 5k, so the whole reason people enjoyed the build is still dead.
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Im going to level with you, I really do not care what blizzard’s reasonings are at this point. They think elemental should be a immobile caster and that sure has failed. They “buffed” ele for 8.1 and that sure failed.
Ignore balance for once. No… Not the druids, that was what blizzard was doing. Look at enhance and say… You know what, A 2h agility class that USES their weapon for attacks is pretty cool idea. Would stance dancing between fast and slow be a fun idea?
Shooting down ideas because it is “too hard to balance” ? That is the resto mastery in a nut shell, hell… the whole shaman class at this point.
People thought survival couldn’t be done, and look at it now. Dreaming of impossibilities is the first step on making them a reality. Don’t get locked into this “blizzard can’t balence it, therefore the idea is wrong”…
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I’m giving you the reason it won’t happen. It is up to you to accept it or not, but acceptance doesn’t change the outcome. Using survival as an example doesn’t help. They are still balanced around one weapon. They cannot DW like they used to, and they don’t use ranged weapons. You don’t have to like the answer, but it won’t change.
Remember that time Blizzard said that about classic WoW? … Remember that time they said flying wouldnt be in WoD, then they had to redesign parts of the world to include it?. You can keep your closed mind to yourself I guess.
Because balance is a poor excuse. One that people have excused blizzard one for a very. Very long time. Everything is possible in this game. The stance dance would be just like ascendance, for 20 secs you pull out a hammer and go ham for instance. They CAN balance it. You failing to see that… doesn’t change the outcome.
You don’t have to like my answer, but it won’t change my creative input into solutions that could help or hinder a class.
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I can see you’re getting upset by the way you’re trying to throw my words back at me, unsuccessfully as well, but it won’t change the facts. That is blizzard’s reasoning. They haven’t even balanced what we have without adding more variables. Maybe in 13 years you can throw this back in my face, but the flawed logic of ignoring what the creators want won’t make you right. It isn’t me that disagrees, it is the people in charge, and the people in charge of them.
you cant with personalized loot enhance wont get any 2hd drops at all.
You aren’t the guys in charge or one of the ones in charge of them so that shouldn’t be something you speak on ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Instead bring actual criticism or ideas instead of just saying “No” “no they wont” “they cant” someone was providing actual feedback instead of brick wall negativity that isn’t even warranted.
@Locgar and to answer the change with personal loot is that they would add all usable items into classes drop tables they’re pretty much there anyway if i’m not mistaken you can trade 2h maces to a shaman if it isn’t an upgrade for you it just doesn’t roll into agility.
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There are 12 years worth of ideas, that should be enough. Also, th OP brings absolutely no ideas of his own, new, or recycled. He only goes on for two long paragraphs about how he wishes 2h enh was a thing. He wanted to know why it wasn’t part of the game, which I went on to explain, the devs can’t balance it, so no classes have the option for multiple weapons. He rejected that reasoning, like anyone here has anything to do with it. I can tell you why grass grows, but I can’t make it stop so you don’t have to mow your lawn anymore.
My second post explained how to play 2h enh at this very moment. That wasn’t good enough. I have provided many ideas to this subject over the past decade, this was not a conversation on what we would do, it was another long winded post about how 2h should be a thing, with no actual ideas of their own. This is a forum, not an echo chamber, and if you want ideas, it’s on the OP of any thread to provide a base to build on.
im waiting for classic to play my shaman again and classic wow is where you will find 2hd enhancement shamans once again.
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I don’t even think It makes sense aesthetically for a Shaman to use two hammers or two axes to attack. Shouldn’t they wield two handed maces, shields and spears? I think it’s so much closer to their fantasy concept. Enhancement shaman’s fighting style in wow doesn’t make them look like a shaman. They look like barbarians with elemental weapons