15 second death penalty is a pug killer

Congratulations blizzard, you somehow made pug-leavers a much worse problem with a solution no one suggested, asked for or wants. Now you get half a dozen deaths or a full wipe on a 7+ and the group is done. What problem is the death penalty solving? You are inherently baking the death penalty into wipes by, get this, forcing the group to try again on the boss, lose time due to runbacks, inefficiency, etc… All this penalty does is make people more toxic, exacerbate the problem with leavers. Revert it.

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no its not . stop complaining and press your defensives which you have a thousand. we finally got one decent season and people cry …

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Season is way to challenging for pugs. They won’t press ANYTHING.

Blizz screwed this season already

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Season is very fun. Having the most fun I have had with my friends doing m+ in awhile. Its all opinions but the season is not ruined. 1 day into week 2. They will most likely make more changes but this dooming is crazy.

We get you don’t like it. You’ve made several posts and commented on a lot of threads. You clearly would like people to be rewarded for not playing properly. It’s a bad stance. Rewards should be rewarded for completing challenges or overcoming obstacles, not handed out for logging in.

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Touch grass.

You are literally just Fauxstrasza with slightly more effort in your rage bait nonsense.

This affix is far more cancerous than sanguine or bolstering ever was.

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I actually like the difficulty of this season for a change. However I wish they would fix the aggro range in siege for the first boss. I also wish you didn’t have to pull the entire necrotic wake to get your forces to 100% are my two only complaints. Most of these dungeons actually this season have well thought out mechanics and as long as you do them, you don’t die which negates the entire 15s death affix. People asked for kiss curse, the 15 sec affix is a kiss if you don’t die and a curse if you die. The reason they did this was to stop death skips, and I fully agree with that decision.

Sanguine lost most time per pull than the current 15s death penalty does. Unless the key is undoable and your group has an astronomical amount of deaths then you shouldn’t be doing that key level anyway.

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I wouldn’t call this season “decent” quite yet. Far from it, actually.

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that’s the point.

Its an m+ killer. Couple that with all of the bugs its simply not worth doing

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Its horrific. Pugging +7 and up keys is torcher. I have never seen it so bad ever…

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Go try a couple pugs buddy, then talk. Alot of people don’t have static synced up groups to play with. Thats why m+ always shined among the community, you didn’t need that.

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I pug and I’m having fun.

I personally think it’s fine but also I dislike it for it can really punish even smooth runs and you have to remember it more than anything emphasizes +1 for even a single full wipe can easily destroy your chances of +2 or +3.

And while some timers are generous, others are not that much so.

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No guys you are wrong. The 15 second desth penalty is more than fine. I did a + 10 NW in which we had 8 deaths and still timed. I did ara akara with 6 deaths and timed

I also did siege of boralus were we fully wiped twice on trash and still timed.

And im sorry to inform your entitled behinds but 7 and above is supposed to be hard, with 10s to be a real achievement. What makes you think you should have a cakewalk to 10+?
Why is it good to achieve it without getting good and fine tuning your play and minimise error to almost 0?

You cry for nothing, and i bet if you giys start posting logs from your runs, its gonna be a huge laugh with what we gonna see

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Pugs belong in +2s, obviously. Discord or champ gear!

It’s an easy affix. All you have to do is not take avoidable dmg.

I pug too but my fun seems to be the same it always was
4 dungeons are always easy to do on fort
4 dungeons are always better on Tyrannical

I refuse to go above 8 until I’m overgeared b/c why not.
yes I heroic raid every week.

Skill issue/10

This is the most toxic way to hurt key timers.

Increasing mob HP or just lowering time on keys would’ve been better even.

This makes it so a little woopsie death is so much more damaging. The tuning is soooop spiky and extremely fast right now too. Basically feels like I’m running +27s in season 3 already right out of the gate.

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