+15 NW timed no heals

I think that is more about a skilled OP tank and DPS that can dodge stuff than heals TBH

BoP prevents all damage taken, while allowing actions like attacking by the BOP target.

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Who honestly cares? This kind of stuff is only possible because of paladins and WOG. I’ve said it before to my friends and I’ll say it again here, paladins being way too much to the table, 3% damage reduction aura, brez, sac, bop, off healing, a free 8 second immunity with aggro, stuns, interrupts, freedom… etc. They bring so much to groups that it just makes any other tank borderline just a second pick if you can’t get a paladin. I don’t think paladins ever needed a brez, I would like to see that go and buff survivability a bit more.

We should get rid of healers altogether and roll the tanking and healing roles together.

Nothing really wrong with this though, If it was actually a tuning issue more players would be doing this. I mean most players aren’t completing 12s but every class can do a 12 so is that a tuning isssue as well?

Nor is this really a new issue. People were running 25s without healer comps, People did full Blood Dk runs when those were dps, People ran a full boomie raid with 2 tanks and a lust

Honestly Healers have always been pretty situational in keys. While there is unavoidable damage they heal a lot of damage is taken out by using defensives, kicking, and stunning which most players don’t actually do. They have 3 bleed immunities, 2 oh crap heals, bunch of off healing. A group of players who know their kits can do that

Yea like almost no one plays at that skill lvl

Is this that same DK that always complains about this sort of stuff?

lol, feels like someone who can’t let go of something that they are incapable of doing

Nah they can’t do that. Word of glory is a really expensive spell for a prot paladin, can’t heal the whole party like they used to.

It’s also funny that the historically defensive hybrid Paladin with all its group defensive utility also has the highest damage in these big packs.

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Just get rid of healers AND tanks and let 5 dps roll!

Buff M+ confirmed. It’s way too easy.

Yep. Paladins literally invalidate all other tanks and it’s not even close. Of a tank shortage didn’t exist, the other tanks would be without a job. I mostly play blood dk, brewmaster and prot warrior. None are even ok the ballpark of paladins.

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What do you mean we?

I’m not timing a +15 without a healer.

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Same dumb take we see every season.

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Okay then let me ask this. Why does one class (Paly) have so much utility. They are hybrid i get it, but they have so much that they can carry a +15? Thats insane.

No class should have so much utility that it fills in for other classes and roles all in one

Yeah that’s called prot paladin.

Lol it’s always either a Prot Pally or a Blood DK doing these things.

Not sure it’s doable with any other tank.

And of course, everyone has to be geared to the teeth anyway.

It’s not as broken as you might think.

Everyone at that level is already pretty skilled.

And they likely cover for each other’s weaknesses, so having a healer just wasn’t necessary with all the self-healing. (Notice all classes on that list have significant self-sustain.)

But I will laugh at anyone that says Prot Pally is worse than BrM Monk.

OR we could take this in perspective and see that it’s a rare group of extremely skilled players who did something cool. Kudos to them. Was that the highest timed NW this season? No? Oh the highest time had a healer. Well are most 15 keys completed with no healer? No, looks like 99.9% have heals. Would most of our pleb groups be more successful without healers? Maybe, just as soon as DPS learn to avoid all avoidable damage, get every kick, and everyone (including tank) makes perfect use of their defensives. Until then, it’s good to have a healer.

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That is why only prot pallies getting invites to anything 12+ for the last 2 weeks.

It’s ok. Most other tanks rerolled prot pally anyway, and we still get to go on alt runs. :smile:

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