If you aren't planning on playing Classic why are you here?11/05/2018 01:45 PMPosted by Hexagon
On and on. Paying for a game that I will not play is bull!@#$.
Period.
11/05/2018 01:49 PMPosted by MistwyndIf you aren't planning on playing Classic why are you here?11/05/2018 01:45 PMPosted by Hexagon
On and on. Paying for a game that I will not play is bull!@#$.
Period.
Hopefully they will change the pricing model.
I just want to pay for the beverage and not the burger.
Well true... but then again I'm not one of those no-changes advocates.11/05/2018 01:49 PMPosted by Hexagon11/05/2018 01:47 PMPosted by MistwyndOn the upside:
For those who wanted "no changes", the announced pricing system for WoW Classic is indeed no changes.
Back in vanilla we paid $15/month for WoW. And that same model holds for Classic.
Well done Blizzard!
No its not the same. You get it for free. Unsubbed have to pay for it.
Think of it this way though: With your $15/month you can also get access to Retail WoW minus the latest expansion. And your sub will probably go to further develop classic. Perhaps a couple years after Classic release we'll get "Classic: TBC".
So what is consistently keeping me confused is this argument that the price is high. In the last 14 years there is only one thing that hasn't gone up in price for me. Video games. But it isn't as though they haven't found ways to do us dirty the loot box fiasco is enough to prove that point.
WoW has opened up alternate revenue streams through the store and server/race changes which is the only reason I suspect that we have not seen an increase in sub fees. Honestly keeping that price at 15 could be a factor in what has destroyed many wanna be competitors to wow.
Classic from what I will tell will not have alternate revenue streams. I'm having a great deal of difficulty believing the assertion that 15 a month is over priced.
WoW has opened up alternate revenue streams through the store and server/race changes which is the only reason I suspect that we have not seen an increase in sub fees. Honestly keeping that price at 15 could be a factor in what has destroyed many wanna be competitors to wow.
Classic from what I will tell will not have alternate revenue streams. I'm having a great deal of difficulty believing the assertion that 15 a month is over priced.
I mean, honestly, getting it free with your normal monthly sub is awesome. Tho i do agree that those who want ONLY classic should have a reduced monthly sub. $5.00 a month for classic only would still rake in the $
11/05/2018 01:51 PMPosted by Hexagon11/05/2018 01:49 PMPosted by Mistwynd...If you aren't planning on playing Classic why are you here?
Hopefully they will change the pricing model.
I just want to pay for the beverage and not the burger.
Well you don't get to say what they do with your money after they get it, so no matter what you like or not, your money could be used to pay for something you dislike.
We are all getting Classic for free, you just have to pay a sub to access the servers, though I would not balk at a CE box.
11/05/2018 02:00 PMPosted by BrongeI mean, honestly, getting it free with your normal monthly sub is awesome. Tho i do agree that those who want ONLY classic should have a reduced monthly sub. $5.00 a month for classic only would still rake in the $
I think its not a bad idea, except for the sad fact it makes it cheaper and easier for gold farmers too in that case :O(
11/05/2018 02:00 PMPosted by BrongeI mean, honestly, getting it free with your normal monthly sub is awesome. Tho i do agree that those who want ONLY classic should have a reduced monthly sub. $5.00 a month for classic only would still rake in the $
Can you provide any form of citation that 5 a month would rake in the money? What insider knowledge do you have for this? Because I have no clue what the costs are or what the sub fee would need to be in response to costs. But I'm feeling fairly skeptical that 5 a month would "rake in the money".
11/05/2018 01:18 PMPosted by TwodogzI haven't played in over 6 years now. Heard about Wow Classic and thought I would check into it. I quit b/c I got sick of paying $360 a year for my wife and I to farm whatever new faction or daily quest (of which the game had turned into) with what little time we had to play after the kids were born.
I was hoping this would be a game that followed Diablo 3's pricing model, or at least a notably reduced sub price, but ohh well. I hope they add a separate pricing model at some point, until then I'll keep to D3 and my freebie games, as much as my wife and I enjoyed playing the original WoW together back then.
And to the trolls, it has nothing to do with being able to afford it, I'm just not going to spend my money on something I'm not going to play more than a handful of hours a week - some of us have better things to do. I'm obviously not alone in that sentiment.
But what you are saying is directly relating to being able to afford it. To the vast majority of us who play wow, and even more so the people who actually played vanilla 15 - 30 dollars a month isn't even on the radar. Aside from streaming services it's the absolute cheapest form of entertainment you are going to find.
That sub unlocks unlimited playtime, and its less than the cost of two adults going to to see a movie which only a lots 2-3 hours of entertainment. Anyone who is complaining about having to pay for the monthly sub even if you only log in for an hour or two a month is because they struggle to afford it.
I'm not trying to be rude or make anyone feel bad about their financial situation, however I encourage anyone to find me a form of entertainment that allows unlimited access for 180 dollars a year per person.
11/05/2018 02:01 PMPosted by Studmuffyn11/05/2018 02:00 PMPosted by BrongeI mean, honestly, getting it free with your normal monthly sub is awesome. Tho i do agree that those who want ONLY classic should have a reduced monthly sub. $5.00 a month for classic only would still rake in the $
I think its not a bad idea, except for the sad fact it makes it cheaper and easier for gold farmers too in that case :O(
This is more than a reasonable argument and response. Gold farmers....eh. I saw them in vanilla up to cata but they weren't an issue then. I just farmed around them and reported them if nessessary.
5.00 a month is more than fair for just Classic. Its nice to see someone get our point of view.
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1. Almost every video game ever made. (aside from the MMO trend a few years ago and even then some are free...GW2 for example)
2. Netflix
3. Amazon prime
4. Hulu
5. Origin
6. HBO go
7. xbox gold/PS/Nintendo access
on and on. All of which I have (aside from origin which is a decent deal).
ALL of what I listed above is cheapter than 180
I encourage anyone to find me a form of entertainment that allows unlimited access for 180 dollars a year per person.
1. Almost every video game ever made. (aside from the MMO trend a few years ago and even then some are free...GW2 for example)
2. Netflix
3. Amazon prime
4. Hulu
5. Origin
6. HBO go
7. xbox gold/PS/Nintendo access
on and on. All of which I have (aside from origin which is a decent deal).
ALL of what I listed above is cheapter than 180
You know if you play the AH on live you can finance your subscription entirely with gold alone, right? Just install TSM and the gold practically makes itself.
Do it that way and Classic is 100% free.
Do it that way and Classic is 100% free.
11/05/2018 02:17 PMPosted by FappyYou know if you play the AH on live you can finance your subscription entirely with gold alone, right? Just install TSM and the gold practically makes itself.
Do it that way and Classic is 100% free.
Not everyone wants to bot the AH 24/7
11/05/2018 02:04 PMPosted by Xukon11/05/2018 02:00 PMPosted by BrongeI mean, honestly, getting it free with your normal monthly sub is awesome. Tho i do agree that those who want ONLY classic should have a reduced monthly sub. $5.00 a month for classic only would still rake in the $
Can you provide any form of citation that 5 a month would rake in the money? What insider knowledge do you have for this? Because I have no clue what the costs are or what the sub fee would need to be in response to costs. But I'm feeling fairly skeptical that 5 a month would "rake in the money".
Then you arent paying attention. It seems A LOT of former players would come back to Classic, skipping retail completely, especially for a smaller monthly fee.
Pay for retail? Fine, heres Classic. Dont want to? Cool, heres a lower monthly fee.
Of COURSE theyd rake in money, because without doing this, they wont be getting ANY money from the players who dont want retail at all.
11/05/2018 02:20 PMPosted by Bronge11/05/2018 02:04 PMPosted by Xukon...
Can you provide any form of citation that 5 a month would rake in the money? What insider knowledge do you have for this? Because I have no clue what the costs are or what the sub fee would need to be in response to costs. But I'm feeling fairly skeptical that 5 a month would "rake in the money".
Then you arent paying attention. It seems A LOT of former players would come back to Classic, skipping retail completely, especially for a smaller monthly fee.
Pay for retail? Fine, heres Classic. Dont want to? Cool, heres a lower monthly fee.
Of COURSE theyd rake in money, because without doing this, they wont be getting ANY money from the players who dont want retail at all.
You quoted me yet didn't respond to what I said in any way shape or form.
Lol @ $15 a month is too high for Classic players. Get a job if you can’t afford it. Like I said, if you have so much discontent for retail players getting it “free” then make it 15+15. I don’t mind a sub for a game I’ve enjoyed for 10+ years going up a little. Prices for everything increase yet we still pay 15.
11/05/2018 02:16 PMPosted by Hexagon[quote]
I encourage anyone to find me a form of entertainment that allows unlimited access for 180 dollars a year per person.
1. Almost every video game ever made. (aside from the MMO trend a few years ago and even then some are free...GW2 for example)
2. Netflix
3. Amazon prime
4. Hulu
5. Origin
6. HBO go
7. xbox gold/PS/Nintendo access
on and on. All of which I have (aside from origin which is a decent deal).
ALL of what I listed above is cheapter than 180
So as I clearly stated, netflix and amazon prime are a little cheaper if you don't get the premium subs which I eluded to. OK so you can passively watch content on those services.
Xbox gold/PS online? That's a joke right? That doesn't offer you anything other than the ability to play OTHER purchased games they don't offer any standalone value. So lets have a little fun with it, XBL 59.99 + 59.99 New game + 59.99 season pass. So that's 179.97 without tax.
Wow is interactive, netflix and every service you listed simply isn't. Good try!
11/05/2018 02:20 PMPosted by Brongehen you arent paying attention. It seems A LOT of former players would come back to Classic, skipping retail completely, especially for a smaller monthly fee.
Pay for retail? Fine, heres Classic. Dont want to? Cool, heres a lower monthly fee.
Of COURSE theyd rake in money, because without doing this, they wont be getting ANY money from the players who dont want retail at all.
you have zero control on what they do with your money once they have it,so guess what? you could be paying for what you dont want anyway.
I suspect one of the things Blizzard might be aiming for is to draw in old players with Classic.11/05/2018 02:20 PMPosted by Bronge11/05/2018 02:04 PMPosted by Xukon...
Can you provide any form of citation that 5 a month would rake in the money? What insider knowledge do you have for this? Because I have no clue what the costs are or what the sub fee would need to be in response to costs. But I'm feeling fairly skeptical that 5 a month would "rake in the money".
Then you arent paying attention. It seems A LOT of former players would come back to Classic, skipping retail completely, especially for a smaller monthly fee.
Pay for retail? Fine, heres Classic. Dont want to? Cool, heres a lower monthly fee.
Of COURSE theyd rake in money, because without doing this, they wont be getting ANY money from the players who dont want retail at all.
After those players get bored with Classic, they'll be looking for something else to play. Where to look? ... well they're already paying for Retail... might as well give that a try. Some will get hooked to Retail.
11/04/2018 06:14 AMPosted by Garonanhwa11/03/2018 06:15 PMPosted by Jordrend
Blizzard is a company, their goal is to make profit, they are paying their employees to develop Classic, it can't be free.
People excuse a lot of bad corporate behavior with "their goal is to make money." Corporations have mission statements. That is their corporate goal, not the mere acquisition of capital. Now, a company may not adhere to their mission statement, but nevertheless, the purpose of a company is embodied in that statement.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html
If a company is not holding to their mission statement, it is more than reasonable to criticize them for that.
A public company like Blizzard has an obligation to its stockholders, though this is not their 'goal'. If the company loses value by, say, making a product free for everyone, they have failed that obligation. But keep in mind that the value of a company is not just their financial bottom line. The good will of a customer base, the value of the branding, and so on, are also assets.
They still have to pay the Classic devs a salary, and pay to keep the servers running, and pay the GM's. It can't be free, it just can't,
11/04/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Gattz11/04/2018 06:14 AMPosted by Garonanhwa...
People excuse a lot of bad corporate behavior with "their goal is to make money." Corporations have mission statements. That is their corporate goal, not the mere acquisition of capital. Now, a company may not adhere to their mission statement, but nevertheless, the purpose of a company is embodied in that statement.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html
If a company is not holding to their mission statement, it is more than reasonable to criticize them for that.
Enough people criticized EA for the battlefront controversy that it forced change. Unfortunately the retail blizz community is similar to apple community in the idea that they'll defend anything and pay absurd amounts for overpriced products. Then have the audacity to call anyone who doesn't pay outrageous prices cheapskates or make strawman arguments like paying more for beer in a month.
If your not willing to pay for the game you have no right to play it. Blizz is paying for servers, devs, GM's, and more to make Classic real. In the end, it will make profit. It can't be free, and y'all need to stop being frugal. If you want it free, you can continue pirating the game with private servers.