1440p build check

I am looking to move from my 1080p set up to 1440p in ultrawide 21:9. I currently run an i5-7600k, DDR4-2400 (16 gb) and a GTX 1660S. I notice some lagging in raid when spell effects are plentiful. I am concerned that things would go poorly at 1440p on this setup.

Here is what I am looking at for an upgrade:

i5-12400
DDR4-3600 (32gb)
6700XT
M.2-2280 PCI 4.0x (replacing SATA 6.0)

Will this set up allow me to play ultrawide at 1440p with maximum settings? It seems like the best performance to price ratio I can build.

6700 XT almost RTX 3070 performance. No issue there.

Yep, everything looks all right. Sticking with just the base i5-12400 is more than enough when paired with that GPU. As Rhythalia said, it’s the equivalence to an RTX 3070 so it should run 1440p decently well.

I came across a pretty good deal on a GTX 3070 Ti this morning. I feel a lot more confident about this card, because of Nvidia’s drivers and ray tracing performance.

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If you can get it, go for it.

Everything we said was for the base 3070. 3070 Ti is even better.

Thank you, nabbed it. The Ti appears to be more than a small step from the base card.

What’s your power supply? Might need something with more wattage.

Corsair HX750 from 2017. Pcpartpicker listed the wattage at 463. 750W would give me a ~40% cushion unless I missed something.

12400 would be ok CPU but I think a 13600k and an motherboard capable of overclocking would give you much more stable frame rates and better performance in raids with a lot of effects going off that will probably be worth the extra $130.

Funny you should say that. A guildy recommended the same setup you did and this is exactly what I bought. I don’t really plan to OC, at least not at the moment. My understanding is the 13th gen doesn’t have a lot of room to OC anyway.

Thank you for your response!

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Intel 11th gen onwards OCs itself depending on cooling and chip quality. Thats why OC headroom is so little.

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Yooooooo

whats up? remember me?

Resubbed with gold to see how the expansion was, didn’t buy it yet.

I was a sucker and got a 13700k/ddr6000 :rofl:

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Im surprised you didn’t make the drive to get the 12700k + motherboard for $350 from micro center

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I was at Disneyland the week prior to 13th gen launching.

I ALMOST went but I knew if I did I’d be coming home with a 7700x…which I’m glad I didn’t buy.

Went with the 13700K/MSI MPG Z690 Edge Wifi/G. Skill S5R 6000/CL32 (still have the old 3080). Easy +0.05v offset, 5.5ghz P-core, 4.5ghz E-core, 6400mhz memory OC…thing screams. These chips are actually pretty easy to OC with good results.

Don’t know how it really relates in WoW, saw a Hardware Numbers video of the 5800X3D beating the pants off most chips, but then in his “max OC” showing a 5.2ghz 12900K taking the win…I’d say the 13700K has a decent chance of being at least a match for a 5800X3D.

I’m not sure if I’ll come back to play this one though…right now the bottleneck for me is the games. Not finding many that I am really into much, been playing FF14 but it has downtime like whoa, and otherwise I’m playing Harvestella which can run on a glorified smartphone.

How ya been?

I only eat one bananna day and can barely afford to keep the power on. I sleep in the furnace room because it a bit warmer. And you guys are spending mega $$$ on new computers.

Don’t want to high jack this thread.

Seems like OP got their answer and their setup should be more than adaquate. Can always upgrade to a newer chip down the line if it feels sluggish. And yes when you talk to people who are really ethusiast about computer hardware they’ll push you towards things you don’t need. The Non K skew assuming you get one that is good $/perf will be more than enough for the majority of people.

@Sal
To keep it short. Enjoying Dragonflight so far. Was blessed with a newborn this year (first one) so playtime is limited. We’ll see how this game plays out in a few months, but so far so good with the leveling process and being able to mount and have some sort of flying mount is great. Still not a big fan of the dragonflight mechanics but its far better than having nothing

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Yeah, sorry about that. Back to the topic:

i5-12400 and i5-13600K have almost the same architecture, primarily Raptorlake was able to yield IPC gains over Alderlake via improved frequency and a slight L3 cache bump.

The 12400 has a 4.4ghz max single core boost, with the all-core (which you will likely see most of the time) settling in at around 4.0ghz. It also has 18mb of L3 cache and 7.5mb L2 cache.

On the other hand, at default settings, the i5-13600k mainly does 3 things better out of the box over the 12400:

  1. A higher 5.1ghz single core turbo, which settles down to around 4.7ghz all-core. That is a 700mhz increase over the 12400 across all of the P-cores.
  2. Increase of L3 cache from 18mb to 24mb, and L2 cache from 7.5mb to 20mb (this is mostly due to #3)
  3. Addition of 8 E-cores at 4.3ghz. These cores alone are around Skylake (6th generation) IPC, more or less, and if utilized appropriately, can help offload background tasks from the P-cores. The i5-12400 does not have E-cores, so everything on your system must use the P-cores. This doesn’t mean Windows will always use E-cores on the 13600k for background tasks, but it’s available should the software utilize it properly. There’s also the possibility that E-cores can confuse the software and cause performance issues, and most definitely they contribute to thermals and power consumption which can affect P-core efficiency.

The first 2 things are going to be the majority of the performance increase. Then you add in overclocking, which seems 5.5ghz is an accessible easy OC…you’re going from 4ghz on the 12400 to 5.5ghz on the 13600k…a 38% increase in frequency.

It’s also not quite true that Intel chips don’t overclock well; perhaps the i9-13900k already near the architecture’s limits, but most 13th gen chips can easily get 5.5ghz+ all P-core on factory voltage. The gains aren’t huge, but clearly there are benefits to a simple 5 minute overclock that almost all samples should be able to reach. It’s less an “overclock” and more a “bring lower SKUs in line with the top SKU”:

As far as how does this information translate to WoW? Well, despite the sample above showing various games tested at 1080p with an RTX 4090, it still has some useful information to extrapolate for other configurations.

You’ll be using a Radeon 6700XT, which is really much less powerful than the 4090. That said, when WoW tends to bog down its not due to GPU usually anyway; it will be when CPU limits the game. So these tests above can give you a glimpse into how these CPUs would behave when GPU is not the limitation.

It seems the 5800X3D does a pretty great job in this game, and yet it has less frequency than its 5800X cousin. The reason it performs so much better is the increased V-Cache size, from 32mb to 96mb.

With that in mind, it should make you ask yourself if the $150 more for the 13600k in CPU-limited scenarios (e.g. when the game actually slows down in WoW) the extra 700mhz and 6mb L3 Cache (33% increase over 12400) is worth it.

If you have a decent amount of disposable income, I would absolutely choose the 13600K over the i5-12400. Individually, the price increase from the 12400 to 13600k is around 70% more ($175 → $300), but if you take total platform cost into consideration, it is the difference is a lot smaller, closer to 15-20%.

The next question is, what else could you do with $150? From a 6700XT at $375, your GPU budget expands to $500. That gets you to RX 6800 territory, which is much more powerful. But then, in the context of wow, you will be asking if its more important to improve overworld max average fps (more expensive GPU) or better FPS minimums in raids/PVP (more expensive CPU).

However, you’re also introducing the extra component of cooling, which also increases cost. As well as a more expensive motherboard.

Not always an easy choice. It’s all relative.

Yes, I remember.

I’ve upgraded to 12900K last year maintaining DDR4. 5900X and Gigabyte X570 was unstable. Happy with my 12900K. No BSOD at all.

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What happened to that You guy?
He still around?

The information above actually doesn’t translate to WoW. Even AMD is very quiet about the 5800X3D because it’s killing their 7K series CPUs for gaming.

The 5800X3D is head and shoulders above everything else in heavily CPU bound games. The 5800X3D runs like 400% faster than a the top of the line AMD or Intel CPU right now for Stellaris turns on large scale empires.

That said most modern CPUs are fine for WoW. The 5800X3D might get you hundreds of frames a second but unless you have a GPU/monitor that can sustain those frames it’s overkill.