No arguments there. These 11th gen results convinced me to buy their old product instead since it’s just cheap and as good as the competition.
I feel as if I’ve heard this before somewhere.
$600 for an 8 core i9 that will still probably be slower than a $450 5800x 
I’d be lying if I didn’t have SOME bias towards Intel. But that doesn’t mean I can’t talk smack against them, too.
will probably be discounted hard within 3 months, their whole rocket lake lineup once people realize.
Don’t you need something like a 480 AIO just to cool them? That’s another $200
Intel did some good work with 10th gen thermals, but it seems none of that matters with 11th gen.
Speaking of Zen3. As you know Im on the i9 10900k and happy as F*&k! I sold my Ryzen 5900x. My buddy kept his 5900x. He is already having to RMA it. It died on him last month. They didnt even ask him for proof or to troubleshoot first. He said they just instantly approved his RMA. Which tells you this is happening a lot. Further proof that all this talk about them failing is NOT just talk.
Talk about embarrassing. BTW dont trust benchmarks until we get retail samples. Anything prior could just be poor engineering samples.
Hey man I just ordered an i9-10900KF for $400 and an ASUS TUF Z590-Plus Wifi
$50 cheaper and pretty much identical performance in games
Good choice.
Hopefully this is the kick in the butt AMD needs to drop AGESA. Its never worked right and always caused stability issues in some form. They moment they do? Im team red. Until then team blue I sit
I needed to buy something and I needed it now.
I didn’t want the 5800x or the 5600x, and the 5900x is just not available.
I was hoping 11th gen would be good, but since it doesn’t seem like it is particularly good, here I am.
If it has a 30 day return policy and retail samples appear to be good? Return that KF.
I don’t think I want to pay $600 for it though
but my mobo is already good to go
AMD 5000 series are failing left and right. The fact that AMD is auto approving RMAs. No trouble shooting no nothing? Says a lot. I think you made a smart move. Like I said before im not leaving a 10 core for an 8 core. Im will the 10900k until 12th Gen or AMD drops AGESA. I refuse to touch their products until it gets a complete redesign or is scrapped. I have said it 1000x here. Dealing with AGESA is like living with a tooth ache
I’m a bit apprehensive about DDR5 + Big/Little of 12th gen.
I think i’m going to wait for that to mature a bit. Which was part of my desire to get on the best 10th gen I could get.
So far I’ve had zero issues with my 5600x but I’m coming off of using on old Phenom II 955 for 11 years so maybe I’ve just been lucky. Guess we will see.
Only issue I’ve had so far was my mobo and it was a quick 2 second fix.
If the 11900k is 1-2% faster than the 11700k, and the 11700k is only slightly faster than the 10700k…what do you all think the chances are that the 10900k is still faster than the 11900k, given the 10900k is 3-4% faster than the 10700k
It’ll most likely not other than consume more power
The 11700k consumes more than the fx 8150 in peak watts consumption
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749338020565483613/817885289782706236/1615050257964.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749338020565483613/817885289484648468/1615026076597.png
Just need about 60 more watts to out do the fx 9590 and it looks like the 11900k may do that
I have always said the new chips Intel kept pushing out would start become the new “fx 9590” and none believed me
All of this is he said she said until we get an actual Retail sample.
Period
AVX512 power is kind of stupid metric here, because none of the other chips can even do it.
But big difference is the 9590 didn’t perform despite the power - These chips are still more or less impossible to tell the difference outside of unrealistic situations in games.
The 10900k in this metric is ~7% faster than the 10700k, with indistinguishable difference against the 5900x/5950x. And this is already in an unrealistic scenario (1080p with an RTX 3090). At reasonable resolutions it’s not going to matter even more. Or less. Huh?
If the 11900K is only 5% faster than the 11700k, I can’t see the chip beating the 10900k in most situations.
Well to be fair, technically it WAS a retail sample.
For the 11700k anyway.
I have literally in the past week seen 3 different benchmark charts come out for the 11700k and 2 for the 11900k. All of them contradict each other. Take all of this with a grain of salt until people test them both that get consistent results. Folks like Gamernexus
Well we know for a fact at least that the 11700k was sold at retail. We can debate about the accuracy or methodology of this particular review, but I don’t doubt the chips as tested were actual retail samples.
Anandtech has been under fire before, but It’s a bit more reputable than most of the leaks I’ve seen so far.
Anandtech is a legitimate tech reviewer, they have the retail sample
https://twitter.com/anandtech/status/1367950742997372930?s=19
You’re going to be disappointed at launch