If you don’t want to play for server firsts, early gen ranking/pvp, or scarab lord then your input is not needed. You can play era without being bothered.
What I find interesting is the people who don’t want fresh just sit around flaming and talking down on fresh, yet fresh players don’t do the same to era.
Are you worried about something?
The problem is that Fresh, by definition, is ephemeral. There will always be a dichotomy in how much time players can invest into WoW, and with the game being 15 years old and understood inside-out, it only takes weeks - if not days - before players already have high-end content on farm and the server is no longer ‘Fresh’.
Again, within a fortnight of WotLK Fresh there was a significant mass of players arguing that they missed the boat and needed new servers. Two weeks. It is not sustainable to have fortnightly seasonal servers.
As an alternative, I would support a SOM that staggered the level cap behind timegates. EG, cap starts at level 20, then a month after launch increases to 30, and so on. Force engagement with alts and low level content / PvP.
There is no “problem” with players quitting whenever they have done what they wanted to do.
I have already made my statement above on what fresh is about. And “lasting forever” is never on the menu.
If you don’t like the idea of fresh, then don’t play it. Era is great for that reason. Personally I can’t play a lot of era because I have no desire to just level a bunch of toons for the sole sake of gearing them to raid more, or farming mats for the hell of it. I log on and pvp sometimes, but early gen fresh pvp is way better
If a giant blizzard vacuum sucked up all the AQ40 & Naxx gear then era pvp would be great. Whoever said era was fresh 3 months ago didn’t pvp and leveled at 2 AM when bored maxed out toons aren’t on ganking or farming HKs in WSG.
It’s not fun being in greens & blues getting 2 shot for weeks on end
Firm ‘No’ to all fresh/seasonal ponzi schemes.
The anti fresh is funny when HC is the ultimate fresh and has been exploding in popularity so much that blizzard spent what little classic resources they have to make official HC which is perma fresh but unfortunately has no viable pvp.
Being a priest in bgs is a drag, you just get charged instantly and smashed into the ground by overgeared people. The gap between a geared nax or aq40 person is just so huge compared to a fresh 60.
Think about what you’re saying. Activity on a 4 year old server is still kicking without the production of a new realm. The HC community is proof that creating a new server is entirely unnecessary.
Well they’re going to keep making fresh servers wether you think they should or not. So I guess you can shut up any time now
You haven’t to me. Respectfully, I’m not going to go through your entire post history.
That is a disingenuous misrepresentation of my argument. I understand the theory of Fresh but the execution needs to be managed (such as staggered level caps).
You still haven’t addressed my point about how long it took (2 weeks) for users to start complaining that they had missed the boat after WotLK Fresh launch. For them, a two week old server was apparently as bad as a two year old one.
What is the solution to that? Why would this time be any different? Or in arguing that Fresh servers don’t need longevity, you are seriously advocating that they should last as long as a bottle of milk?
Just because players who have been farming the raids for years will down the easiest raid in the first reset doesn’t mean many won’t enjoy a fresh. Many who play the game will never see Kel’Thuzad no matter how fast a practiced speed clear guild can get to him. WoW players always talk in terms of what the top 1% are doing as if it is everyone. Your guild will not be downing Ragnaros by Monday night with 40 58+ players in pre-raid BiS blues.
Probably the two biggest benefits of a fresh are an economy and gear reset. Not to mention the opening of AQ and Scourge Invasion which are the best events ever in WoW history in terms of server-wide fun.
The PVP enjoyers will have a better time as well since not only is there a gear reset, but AQ and Naxx gear will come later and won’t be around long enough for the gold buyers to get geared enough to backpedal and keyboard turn around Azeroth two-shotting people with items that are good enough to go into Gruul’s Lair.
Both of which will be for nought when MC is on farm from launch week, and you’re still in the Barrens while l33t raiders are driving the price of low level mats through the roof to powerlevel their professions.
Once again, this is exactly what happened on Wrath Fresh. Two weeks was how long it took for players to feel that there was no difference between the Fresh servers and the Classic launch servers.
Wrath fresh?
You aren’t making much of a case besides cost of mats which seem like they would even out. Simple supply and demand stuff
Maybe one difference is dungeon blues vs T1. Or that there should be time to get to 60 and raid before honor patch. Or that you can’t buy gear from a Naxx clear with real money. I just don’t see your argument as being very good against some kind of SoM or something
Yes. When WotLK Classic launched, Blizzard also released Fresh servers.
Respectfully, that doesn’t make sense. If anything that supports Era instead of Fresh, if markets calibrate with time.
I agree that a SOM with timegates on levels / content could be a fun solution.
Fresh when ??
Who cares?
Had nothing to do with “fresh”.
Wrath mains are entirely different from vanilla mains. 2 different games.
There are only ever 1 or 2 (3) “main” servers depending on the displacement of available servers. People will always gravitate to those.
“Failed fresh” has nothing to do with it. Once people want to be in the best guilds or best arena teams, they’re gonna go to the server that has those.
Fresh wasn’t the problem. The establishment was. If you wanted to be competitive at anything, you were going to go bene or faerlina. Fresh or no fresh. That’s where the competition was. Players naturally want to do things that better their toons and themselves.
If bene and faer propose the better offer. They’re gonna leave the fresh server regardless if they had fun on it or not.
What about the other “non fresh” servers that everybody left? Can’t apply the “failed fresh” rule to them can we?
Nope, but you can apply my argument to it, and it fits perfectly
Onto your next point. Who decides what is and what is not “longer than a bottle of milk” for fresh. Do you want it to last till naxx or something for you personally?
For me, a successful fresh is one with some competitive raiding scenes, some guilds on both sides who don’t fold and xfer over some wpvp in BRM, and competitive early gen pvp until phase 4. If phase 5 comes out and 2 days later the server loses 90% of its playerbase, and I had fun and felt fulfilled? Fine by me. Was a good fresh in my eyes. I don’t care about p5-6 raids at all. So wth would I keep playing for if the pvp is bad and there’s no ungoro pvp at that point/lotus farm is already established? At that point I don’t care if it’s just “raid aq then naxx then it’s over”. I’ll just stop playing
That completely disregards the fact that all the players advocating WotLK Fresh were doing so for the same reasons as others in this thread. It was never about being competitive, so yes, it is a relevant data point. Never mind making it to final phases, those servers are already long dead.
And that’s just like, your opinion, man. Fresh does not mean that for everyone, not even the users in this thread. Even hypothetically, a few days after this server launches, people are already going to be advocating for a new Fresh server. What then? Would you be okay with Blizzard constantly making new Fresh servers every month, cannibalising the playerbase and creating a swathe of dead servers? After all:
Freshers are the result of playing on private servers for over a decade. They’ve been groomed to associate their characters getting deleted and servers being shutdown as gameplay features.
Doesn’t really matter what the hypotheticals are. They don’t prove anything. They wanted fresh cause it’s fun. It is literally THAT black and white. But the fresh servers weee in tandem with established servers as you could transfer to them. So no, it doesn’t disregard anything
There is no secret formula. You just launch 1 fresh every once in a while. 1 server. When it’s over small break and launch again. Doesn’t even need changes
But again if you don’t wanna play fresh. Then I’m not sure what’s bothering you to know. Era is there “forever”, and people are now trying to come up with “fixes” for it that are just the product of a never ending server. People are already suggesting gold wipes, complaining that everyone will be in full r14 and naxx gear and the fact that gdkps are the majority. This is all product of a server that never ends.
Then we basically agree. I am hoping for a SoM option. A permanent fresh less so