11.0.5 Ice strike change

[Aitex-kelthuzad (Aitex)]

Oh well then who cares. Tbh

[Lightnîng-sargeras]

just tested on PTR and its horrible fix.

Now we’re left behind with Lava and Stormstrike only for our melee ability.

Maestlrom generation took a HUGE HIT , by removing icestrike it really wasn’t bloat !

now it feel empty !

[Cameltowoo-area-52]

blech. My oh my! The news about shamans just gets worse and worse.

[Kukulcan-caelestrasz]

Problem is yours because you just dont understand what im saying.
If ice strike had 4 related talents all grouped together down one side you could easily collect or ignore them, making them exclusive and optional.

Current design has supporting talents scattered all over the tree with stormstrike stuff on both sides.

What they have done with lava lash is more or less what im talking about since most lava lash talents are grouped together so you can pick the cluster or ignore them allowing build variety.

And there are tons of low impact minor boost talents on every spec tree in the game, they are wasted design in most cases.

[Lightnîng-sargeras]

So Hailstorm should be effective on icestrike damage with this changes ,

because right now in PTR i spend 10 stacks of maesltorm i get hailstorm buff and im rdy to trow my big frost shock but ohhh no icestrike did trigger and i need to press a 200k ability … the proc by itself KILL OUR BURST

If Icestrike is a proc make it WORTH , right now i feel everytime it proc i lost damage in the burst.

Hailstorm could buff your next IceStrike or Frost Shock , then maybe it will be worthy ?

[Cameltowoo-area-52]

you know. i’ve wondered what was wrong with the rotation. seems like it’s not working correctly. I assume it’s because of this topic.

[Yeastyholes-moon-guard]

@Abäddón-area-52

I’ve played enhance for a long long time, it’s got button bloat. Button bloat is, shocker, about the number of buttons.

You’re a rat player who hides their logs, barely gets AOTC, and has multiple instances of not understanding how the spec works. Stop talking. Nobody except tourist enhance players respect you, and that’s because they don’t know any better.

@Lenegis-stormrage

Button bloat is a buzz word. People who seriously played enhance never considered ice strike bloat because bloat is not about the number of abilities, bur rather how they interact, and ice strike was a good ability with good interactions.

@Lenegis-stormrage

Ice strike also generates 2msw procs and 1 baseline, procs main have effects it simply is not bloat.

100%. Not to mention, without it, there is just dead air in the rotation.

[Lightnîng-sargeras]

ya i tested on PTR today dead air indeed in the rotation is the right word.

I really hope we make understand blizz that its a BAD BAD fix probably the baddest to come for ENH shaman.

[Resinger-area-52]

@Yeastyholes-moon-guard

100%. Not to mention, without it, there is just dead air in the rotation.

This is the biggest culprit in why this change is abysmal, you end up with far too many periods of dead time on ptr

[Lenegis-stormrage]

The enhance changes on ptr are just overall awful for the spec as a whole, ice strike is just one of them.

[Cameltowoo-area-52]

Please don’t release this proposal. Ice strike is a pretty solid part of my rotation and without it, I’m afraid my dps will suffer.

So what? right? Well, don’t you think that other players in M+ might not want a broken shaman in their groups. I mean, there’s enough pressure on you to play well in M+ and further gimping of us is a slap in the face IMO

[Judygemstone-area-52]

People are playing elementalist over storm enhance right now? Wild. I don’t even need to use ice strike that much.

[Cameltowoo-area-52]

I personally like elementalist. Not sure why. It just feels ‘right’ to me. Meh I guess LOL

[Judygemstone-area-52]

I’ve always preferred storm. Glad it’s in a good spot now. Feel like Thor out there slinging lightning.

[Cameltowoo-area-52]

righteous!

[Kafa-tichondrius]

It seems devs are reading the forum

• Ice Strike is now a choice node between a new ranged version and the existing melee version.

More here: https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-1945843

Thank you, Blizzard!

[Pediatrician-pagle]

Completely agreed. It seems some people just want to play a Weak Aura simulator and keep their niche spec underplayed by having redundant skills.

Terminally WoW-only rat gamers are a weird bunch and don’t really seem to like video games, and only really play for WCL. I wouldn’t trust their opinion on game design. Blizz pruned a few specs for TWW and they all saw huge player rate increases. Like Arcane and AFF. We saw this with the Ret rework on DF too.

[Faminex-dragonmaw]

@Pediatrician-pagle

Blizz pruned a few specs for TWW and they all saw huge player rate increases

are you really going to insinuate that the “pruning” of aff and arcane is the reason why the representation of both specs has gone up? lmao

@Pediatrician-pagle

redundant skills.

explain the redundancy you’re pointing out here

[Rilota-moon-guard]

@Lenegis-stormrage

To make people happy who don’t actually play the spec?

The biggest threat to our spec unironically. These changes are awful.

[Mugsy-proudmoore]

I’ve always hated Ice Strike for PvE. I’m really happy about the changes. Sorry for all you who like it.