11.0 - New Expansion (Possible spoilers...or not)

So, Blizzcon is now just about one month away, along with the reveal of our next adventure and of course, rampant speculation, false nonsense and wishful thinking is now running amok on the interwebs.

That said, some datamining (confirmed to be true) on behalf of Reddit user /u/Wiraneusz, is offering a few tidbits:

Summary

A new datamined Heroic Edition Mount named “Algarian Stormrider” (similar to Heroic Edition mounts from previous expacs)

This would lean back on the new location of Khaz Algar - (also previously mentioned here: https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=201920/observational-report-earthen

This particular book, also references the Curse of the Flesh.

In this book: https://www.wowhead.com/item=201833/wreckage-analysis-report , a new continent called Avaloren is mentioned.

For reference, these are all the lore books found in New Uldaman:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/lore/dragonflight-uldaman-legacy-tyr-lore-books

WoWhead offers a brief write-up here:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/11-0-expansion-story-speculation-from-datamined-leaks-spoilers-335281

Back out of this thread if you don’t want to read anything further.

I am not the best among you when it comes to putting down thoughts about lore. I will leave that to the writers on this realm. (Hoping for some Gentarn input here…) I will say…

Titans? Curse of the Flesh? Dwarves? Gnomes? Elemental Planes?

Adventuring to a land hidden by time to solve the latest Scooby Doo Warcraft Mystery is right up Blizzard’s alley. They’ve done it repeatedly. I like reading speculative threads about new expacs, but most of them are blindingly obvious BS. Something like this, might actually be plausible.

Or maybe there’s just one final patch in DF beyond the Emerald Dream that all of this references?

Or maybe it’s nothing.

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Well, Blizzard have said we’re not getting an Old God expansion, and leaks for 10.2 have a lot of anti-Titan stuff involved, namely Odyn getting machine-gun-punched in the taint, Vyranoth potentially joining the Aspects to speak for the Protodrake Flight, and potentially,

Spoilersthe Dragon Aspects regaining their powers from Amirdrassil, not the Titans
which could lead to a HUGE upset of the apple-cart, as the Time Rifts have revealed that a lot of Timelines and their respective Alternate Realities have shown the Titans have lost control of nearly every version of Azeroth out there.

Us heading out to Avalorn or whatever its called to A) help heal the World Soul and B) try to defend ourselves and our world from both whatever shenanigans Iridikron is cooking up and a very angry intervention from everybody’s galaxy-spanning belligerently benevolent mecha-tyrants.

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Oh man, if we explore the curse of flesh with primordial races, this will really start to fit the bill I predicted of “More Old God Nonsense”.

Let’s GOOOOOOOOOO

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There should be a “why are we doing this?” moment and:

Summary

Also fits in with how Blizz likes to do storylines.

Heal the world! Save yourselves! Save Azeroth! Behold, an entirely new continent on the planet you somehow overlooked!

It also would not hurt to have a certain guy named Metzen back on board, if you’re trying to deal with the elements cough King Shaman Thrall cough

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Personally, I think the game really needs a soft reboot after BfA and Shadowlands. Multiverses are a big thing now so let’s just do that again and make Azeroth 2.0 the groundwork for taking WoW into the remainder of it’s life. I would love a reality where Arthas was redeemed (or maybe even took a different path) or a reality where Sylvanas’ character wasn’t completely ruined.

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This is my desire, too. I want a the game board to be cleared and reset.

But I don’t think you can really do that in WoW as it is without launching a new game. Then again, this is Blizzard and they did Overwatch 2.

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I’d be happy to see a reset. I’d be happy to go all the way back to the beginning. Give us some different outcomes. Like:

  • Jaina ends up being the Banshee Queen. Theramore becomes the new UC.
  • Calia is the new Lich Queen. Arthas gets to be the big hero.
  • Varian stays missing and we have Bolvar completely take over SW.
  • Genn never closes off Gilneas. It becomes a new hub similar to IF.
  • Thrall becomes corrupt and Garrosh has to save him.
  • Warchief Vol’jin.
  • Cairn never gets killed.
  • Scarlets and Defias form a new enemy faction.
  • Blood Elves and Night Elves never split into different “races.” Void elves happen earlier.
  • We get the Broken as a race.
  • Dark Irons go Horde.
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On board the Vindicaar it is traditional to avert one’s eyes when orbiting around the backside of azeroth lest you see a spoiler

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I think Old Gods are most likely. They’ve had a callback already in the Dracthyr’s origins and Blizzard tends to telegraph the next expansion in the current expansion.

My pipe-dream is the hardest of hard resets on WoW and Warcraft generally.

I’m talking SUBSTANTIAL timeskip. Something happened to end the current age. So much has been forgotten. There only remain a small handful of the immortal beings we might recognize, but they are relics of the past. The old ways are just legends now. It’s the same world, races, metaphysics, but new burgeoning kingdoms/clans.

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It’s hard to imagine a collaboration between Warcraft’s Proud Boys and Warcraft’s union federation but crazier things have happened

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I laughed and I laughed hard. This deserves way more likes.

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i vote Azeroth gets destroyed and we move to Draenor and carve out a place for ourselves

if you wait about 20 min for Azeroth to turn during the Manari questing…theres nothing there. just big ocean

  • Instead of Guldan convincing the Orcs to drink the Koolaid and invade Azeroth, Medivh convinces Llane to drink the Koolaid to invade Draenor with Fel Knights, I can dream darn it!
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I’ve been discussing/semi-debating the potential of an 11.0 reveal on a few discords. Apparently in a recent interview (which I haven’t seen), devs said it would NOT be revealed.

I’m skeptical of this. I feel they need way more than “the future of WoW is Dragon Flight fated raids, more to come in 2024!”

If it’s not an outright 11.0 reveal, I believe we’ll get some broader view of the next decade of WoW from Metzen, teasing a number of things to come.

I don’t know if that’s enough, either.

Dragon Flight has been good, gameplay-wise at least. The cadence of updates is good, though it’s stagnant right now.

Greed still took play, with this season being too easy. Heroic prog time was so damn short. Many believe Blizz made it easy so people could get KSM and AotC before Diablo came out. We did, and some of our best temporarily left for Diablo, with the promise to return for 10.2… none of them are returning for 10.2.

Of course this is anecdotal, but for me at least, I’ve seen this in the guilds I’m in and have heard it from others.

They didn’t go hard enough on 10.2 to bring people back in. I’m adamant that opening the Druid class to even 1 or 2 races per faction would have piqued some interests.

Hence, Blizzcon being clutch for establishing hype.

Sorry for the rant but, basically – I do hope these leaks lead to us going to the other side of Azeroth, while the “old world” gets updated models.

The 2H Mace (iirc) from Dawn of the Infinite mentions a Titan facility/facilities that we’ve never been to – and its effects works there. That’s a pretty big flag IMO.

My wishes for WoW’s future:

  • Dual MSQ approach from the start
  • Chromie time extended to include the pre-Cata world with updated assets
  • 10-man Mythic raiding
  • Mythic dungeons being more than a harder heroic. Add a wing, attunements etc. – bring the old vibe of WoW back for these
  • Player housing
  • Class skins
  • Break this glass: playable Ethereals, Ogres and Naga
  • a bunch more stuff I won’t burden you with
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If we’re doing a reboot?

:notes: Chromie you done goofed :notes:

My need to touch grass intensifies Time Rifts explodes into a whole Expansion where we're going to these Alternate Timelines/Realities we encounter in 10.1.7 because things are getting gnarly and since none of these Timelines actively know how Timestreams actually work, they're just invading us and each other with an eye to conquering everything, not realising they're risking complete destruction of everything by causing temporal paradoxes, specifically fatal ones, in the process.

Despite victory after victory, several Timelines are nearing collapse and our own is badly ravaged and the Six Primal Powers loom over us, furiously tearing at each other to lay claim to the one remaining Timeline that is both stable and capable of fulfilling their separate agendas and it becomes clear that everything is going to go to hell no matter who wins.

The Bronzes and the Infinites dive into the Original Timeline, from which all others, including ours, sprang from and find the very moment things go to hell, and prevent it, causing all time past this point to blur, melt together and collapse, creating a new, singular timeline.

As a result of this, all the Primal Powers are trapped outside of the ‘True’ Timeline, and can only rage and beat against the barrier that separates them from it. They can create followers within it, but the days of Titan Keepers, Old Gods and the like is done. At best, Faceless Ones and similar levels of power are available, and even that is a monumental effort. No more Re-Originations, no more whole worlds turned to the Void or consumed by the Light, but the Timeline proceeds forwards and we learn certain things are inevitable, even with the Primal Forces exiled outside of reality.

The Draenei still flee Argus, but that’s because Archimonde is a Sorcerer addicted to the Fel and called in the Legion because he wanted to rule the world. Kil’jaden and Velen flee with what they can of their highly advanced civilisation in Dimensional Ships, Velen lands on Draenor, Kil’jaden takes the soldiers and goes to find allies against the Demons, forming the Army of Light. Orcs get recruited for the big fight, but also some Clans get corrupted by Demons who followed the trail of the Dimensional Ship.

Meanwhile, on Azeroth, without the Old Gods and the Titans, the Age of Elementals gave way to the Age of Flesh where the Proto-Dragons, Trolls and Yaungol evolved, then Cave Elves came into contact with Azerite and accidentally blew up a chunk of the surface, creating a small wound that rapidly scabs over with semi-solid Azerite, which also elevates the Trolls and other races who came to the region into more intelligent life-forms. Naturally, conflict over access to this ‘Well of Eternity’ boils over, the Haves and the Have-Nots have an argy-bargy and chunks of Azerite are taken and scattered across the world, forming multiple Wells, and the eventual World War between Azshara, who has begun calling upon Fel and Void magic because the Primal Powers are still out there, just reduced to messaging rather than getting involved directly, and triggers a detonation so terrible it splits the original super-continent in half, mutates most of the Kaldorei into Naga, and those that were far enough away, either fighting other battles or escaping their megalomaniacal Queen, are spared from both drowning and becoming Snek Peeps.

10,000 years of rebuilding. Humans and Dwarves start being born amongst the native giants of Azeroth. Hybrids between these two developing races produces Gnomes. Eventually these spread to the Eastern Kingdoms, fully colonizing the northern half of this continent. The southern half remains Troll territory and both sides spend thousands of years arguing over whose land is it anyways. The Kaldorei warriors loyal to Queen Azshara are trapped on the Eastern Kingdoms realise maybe she was crazy and divorce themselves from her legacy, forming the Sun Elves, eventually calling themselves the High Elves. The Kaldorei on Kalimdor fracture into several groups, Pro-Queen, Anti-Queen and Just-Leave-Me-Alone-Please factions. Anti-Queen is led by Tyrande and Malfurion. Pro-Queen is led by somebody else who you really want to punch in the throat. Leave Me Alone is led by Illidan and Maiev who saw how dangerous the Demons that Azshara summoned during the final days of her reign and formed the Wardens and the Demon Hunter factions respectively to police rogue sorcerers and hunt down any ‘Outsiders’ from beyond the material plane before a second Sundering can happen.

The Wild Gods exist because Azeroth has a World Soul and it spins out crazy stuff like that. The Titan Watchers and Keepers are instead Elemental Beings who want to keep the planet under their authoritarian control and end the Elemental conflicts, while the Elemental Princes exist as a chaotic rulers who value freedom, so long as it doesn’t affect their rule, who see the Eternal Conflict as an essential part of their life-cycle.

In all seriousness, I would like to see the Timelines collapse and be remade and have the whole Warhammer 40K doom and gloom angle muted for a bit. By all means, let’s go metal, lets go schlocky 80’s action hero cartoon, but let’s dial down the entropic “You are boned no matter what.” nonsense.

We play WoW to escape from that, not pay $15 a month to get it shoved in our faces again.

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That’s the other thing I failed to mention – if they did a serious approach to “Chromie time”, where you could go back to each expansion but with added stuff, for example:

  • Wrath: scourge invasions
  • Cata: Deathwing attacks
  • MoP: Pandaren wandering Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms
  • etc.

If they did that, the same mechanism by which we shift through time, we could also shift through parallel worlds.

Make timewalking a weekly thing that sends you to these other timelines, so that the current + weekly timeline is populated with people doing stuff.

Meanwhile, the other time periods and alternate Azeroths would just be great for RP.

I’d love to see the ability to “time lock” a character as well – would be great for both RPers and enthusiasts of a particular WoW era.

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It’s definitely not nothing.

I haven’t heard or seen this. No lie, this would be up there with, “do you guys not have phones?” for me. 2024 is 20 years of WoW. They need to spend the next year hyping the ever-loving shiz out whatever is coming. I want to be so hyped I choke on it.

An expac that takes us to the other side of Azeroth, could be a way to update the ‘old world’. It could also lead into the expac after by giving us a time skip. While you’ve been away…

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