Thatâs actually a really good point.
I guess the implication could be that Fyrakk will inevitably burn himself out and Iri is more concerned with embracing the void and getting his ticket off the planet, so Vyra is left ruling whatever is left of the world.
I think Vyranoth will have a change of heart near the end and end up doing a sacrifice thing.
There are multiple futures - doesnât mean our primalist future will be frozen.
Welcome to the time shenanigans that are 1000x worse than WoD time issues
My counter to this is that when Blizzard wishes to force a narrative, theyâre as subtle as the grease from a Taco Bell Crunchwrap Supreme hitting the start of your small intestine.
Seems like Fyrakk has control of the shadowflame for now,itâll be a matter of time before it take full control,reasoning with him wouldnât matter soon.
Iâm having a really hard time making that judgement personally - I think Vyranoth is the only incarnate to receive any kind of adequate character development.
Iridikron is sort of Jailer esque mustache twirling villian we know next to nothing about
Fyrakk basically was the quiet hitman with no regards for life but no in depth characterization so we canât really say if heâs acting like himself or not.
Delightful Massacre 
I would say heâs like a kid with no patience run on emotions to do what he pleases,add this power with a kid and the mix is explosive. He does have some reasoning in a rational sense,but that is mostly short lived.
To her they are, because they went back on their promise. They promised not to touch the eggs. But they transformed entire clutches of eggs. Sounds to me like she lost her entire clutch to the Titans and she wants the world to know what theyâve done, how theyâre not to be trusted and to show people what she considers âtrue freedom.â
Having your children in their eggs be twisted into Titan constructs is pretty good motivation.
To be fair, Mathranâs not wrong about that. The Titans did care about life, because it meant that Azeroth was healthy and strong. Freya was left in charge of that. What they also cared about was Azeroth becoming corrupted. So they created Algalon for that singular purpose: wipe out corruption so it wouldnât corrupt Azeroth.
And when the Curse of Flesh ran rampant, then the Keepers were corrupted, thatâs when Algalon was initiated. He was there to wipe out corruption. We were the corruption.
But there was the misunderstanding: Algalon didnât get that even though we were created by a Curse, we werenât inherently corrupted. He had to learn that. The Titans finally had a chance to see that, as well. They didnât wipe us out when they had the chance. They saw we could keep Azeroth safe and left us alone.
And donât forget: they are part of the larger machine. Their job is Order. The machine exists for many reasons: mortals included.
The Titans have never been âgood guysâ since Wrath of the Lich King. Theyâve just been not as bad as the Old Gods or Burning Legion. They were fully prepared to Re-originate Azeroth, killing all mortal life on the planet, and returning it to a primordial soup to start their project over. Just go do the Ulduar raid and fight Algalon the Observer:
Translocation complete. Commencing planetary analysis of Azeroth. Stand back, mortals. Iâm not here to fight you. It is in the universes best interest to re-originate this planet should my analysis find systemic corruption. Do not interfere.
I have seen worlds bathed in the Makersâ flames, their denizens fading without so much of a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and razed in the time it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart devoid of emotion⊠of empathy. I. Have. Felt. Nothing. A million-million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do? Perhaps it is your imperfections⊠that which grant you free will⊠that allows you to persevere against all cosmically calculated odds. You prevail where the Titanâs perfect creations failed. Iâve rearranged the reply code - your planet will be spared. I cannot be certain of my own calculations anymore. I lack the strength to transmit the signal. You must⊠hurry⊠find a place⊠close to the skies. Do not worry about my fate, Bronzen. If the signal is not transmitted in time, re-origination will proceed regardless. Save⊠your worldâŠ
If something doesnât fit within the Titanâs âperfect calculationsâ, they have no qualms of âorderingâ it to fit their designs or, failing that, just destroying it.
Their only concern about Azeroth is its sleeping World Soul.
Yes and no. Itâs not that black and white. Azeroth is their main focus. But life means that Azeroth is healthy and thriving. Life exists because of Azeroth herself. And Freya was put there to keep that going.
They also didnât destroy us when they had the chance, because they saw we could protect Azeroth. We fought with them, we earned our place. Even Algalon eventually realized that we have merit.
Iâd go into more detail, but most of that is right above your post. Hehe
I didnât interpret the scene that way. I viewed it as - âWeâll let you live so long as you prove useful. If you mess up, Reorigination it is.â I would put the Titanâs squarely in the Lawful Neutral category. Theyâre neither good nor evil. They just want things to be nice and orderly, regardless of the means they have to take to make it happen.
Youâre not wrong! Itâs just that life, right now, and the way we protect the planet, are part of keeping Azeroth safe, so life does matter in that respect. Itâs just a nuance of things.
Not a bad cinematic.
Letâs hope things actually happen in game this time, and we just donât stare into the sky triumphantly while the bad guy is torching the country side.
I think youâre fundamentally misunderstanding the perspective of the titans.
Youâre trying to explain their purpose but doing so from a mortalâs perspective.
Thatâs like the church of the holy light trying to explain the cause of the burning crusade.
Iâm not arguing one side or another here because itâs blatantly clear the post-Metzen era of story telling is centered around relativism and subjective perspectives. They want us to validate each perspective (I also think thatâs why the story is so hard to stomach or understand by long time fans because WoW has never been based on these story paradigms until recently) I understand those are buzz words but Iâd encourage you to just explore what they are without bringing politics into things.
Alignment is a flawed system to try and interpret WoWs story at this point because it assumes an objective stance.
You canât assign people chaotic evil, true neutral, or good etc⊠in the WoW universe because their placement is entirely dependent on whoâs viewing their actions or who you are asking.
Alignment systems are a relic of the past for these kinds of stories.
You âthe titans donât care about mortalsâ people remind me of the folks who think Stratholme was a bad thing to do. Cleansing the planet of corrupted life is GOOD for the rest of the universe. The titans are GOOD and pretending that this isnât a new narrative beat and is instead something thatâs been set up since ulduar is just silly
Youâre right - the story was clearly established as the titans being a force for good but as I mentioned the post-Metzen writers seem to have shifted to relativism and have demonstrated a clear distaste for WoWs story before their arrival (See Shadowlands, quite literally the ravaging of fifteen years of story development and even the announcement that that era of Warcraft is âoverâ).
If you ask my perspective, I agree with you but I can frankly also see merit in Sargerasâs burning crusade.
Iâm not the one who posted alignments.
Except that doesnât make sense. One is âTitans have a higher purpose and weâre small in the grand scheme of things.â The other is âA person mass murdered people.â
Neither of those go hand in hand.
And we were the corruption that was being cleansed until we convinced Algalon otherwise.
They arenât good or evil. They just⊠are. They follow their purpose, which is to bring Order to the universe. Life matters, but if it ends up being corrupt or Chaos, they will force change or wipe it out accordingly.
Thatâs exactly what they did with the dragons: they forced change. Whether we see that as good or bad is purely our perspective.