(10.0.7 Spoilers) blizzard what are you doing to Baine

It’s nonsense because it goes nowhere and achieves nothing.

You’re undead, his toes is the least of the worries in smell

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Edwin Starr’s War is a good song, but that doesn’t mean because people want to sing kumbiyah and hold hands that it erases the story. Would be like Ukraine and Russia being buddies right after this war. Like… what?

We kind of did actually.

We got to kill the General who was in charge of the attack.

That’s so stupid, those images

“Let’s drink with orcs who had probably slaughtered my ancestors/family during the first war. It’s okay that Grimaxe’s people cold blooded my grandpa from the first war!”

We have, and because it is.

The entire history of Warcraft WC3 on has been some conflict leading to working together.

Orcs invade due to demon corruption/fel influences, and are eventually beaten (WC1 & 2), in WC3 they kill the source of the corruption and work with the night elves and humans to stop a burning legion invasion.

Pre-WC3 prejudice Jaina’s father comes and attacks kalimdor, Jaina assists Thrall/Rexxar and the Horde to stop him, and doesn’t stand in the way when they kill him (Rexxar campaign in WC3)

At end of WC3 Horde & Alliance are on good terms.

WoW made it a point to constantly throw stuff to arbritarily make the conflict continue, and even with that still always work together in every single expansion

Vanilla some conflicts and then come together to stop Old God & Minions (AQ)
BC some conflict and come together to stop Illidan/Burning Legion (BT/Sunwell)
Wrath some conflict and come together to stop Old God/Arthas (Ulduar/ICC)
Cata major conflict, and come to together to stop Elementals and Deathwing (Firelands/Dragonsoul)
Mists major conflict, and come together to stop Sha/Thunder King/Garrosh (this and last expansions conflict pretty much soley due to said Garrosh after Thrall stepped down and chose poorly for warchief)
Warlords little conflict, and come together to stop Iron Horde & Legion
Legion little conflict, come together to stop Legion
BFA major conflict, then come together to stop Naga/Old God/Sylvannas
Shadowlands, come together to stop Jailor
Dragonflight no conflict, work together to stop Primalists/whatever comes next

And as with Garrosh, the BFA conflict is because of a incorrecly chosen leader, that was only chosen because a dying warchief thought his god was telling him to choose her, but the voice he heard was not actually his god but a manipulative entity.

The conflict is pointless, there can not be a lasting victor, because there has to be two sides. So nothing comes of a ‘win’, and every single expansion the factions come together to stop a threat.

Thrall knew what Garrosh was like, he showed very well how he was not fit to lead in the argent tournament events leading up to ICC, but Thrall overlooked that because of who his father was and wanting to ‘give him a chance’, and above about Sylvannas.

Any expansion that doesn’t have a forced warmonger warchief (cata/mists, bfa) there is peace bar some minor skirmishes

The endless cycle of ‘ok we’re fine with eachother, we’ll work together, but tomorrow I’ll have to fight you again, for… some reason’ is old and worn.

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#BaineMustBeFragged :skull:

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I bathe regulary, thank you

At this point is is pretty nonsense when you have so many groups made of Alliance and Horde that have come together. There still can be hostilities but full on war by both sides is just stupid. Now is the time for a cold war, some Blood Elf defectors the will name behind to reclaim their High Elf title. Then we can stop hearing about that as well.

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backs away slowly before running away screaming…

I am not conviced there are the “good” guys in Wow, neither Alliance nor the Horde.

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Also exactly this, both sides have done questionable things.

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with this questline, aside from using Dragon Isles Centaur over Kalimdor Centaur to get this plotline going?

Exactly. War has a weird way of changing morals during it…

That certainly is due to some poor writing. It’s unfortunate the worst parts came after BfA’s initial story. However, that doesn’t change a lot of the things that has happened.

Cooperation doesn’t necessarily mean that everything is fine between the two. Enemy of my enemy and all. If that doesn’t make sense to you then perhaps a quick gesture through all of history might show otherwise.

In fact, it makes a lot of sense. Yes they have differences and even after beating the big bads, those differences still remain. Orgrimmar being built in a hostile environment leaving Orcs and the others to have limited resources to keep them alive was problematic, for example.

Garrosh attacking Ashenvale was out of necessity. I’d at least give him that. Ending the Alliance/Horde war because people don’t like it is silly. Stopping a threat that would kill everyone doesn’t make everyone friends.

We are a bit off topic, but seriously they need to make Baine a better character and send him back to the Horde.

Baine in BfA: I know the Alliance just killed your father and a bunch of your people, but your father’s funeral is totally the place to talk about begging them for mercy.
Also Baine in BfA: How dare you desecrate the corpse of an Alliance hero! I will slaughter all to set him free!

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That’s just horrible writing…Blizz should be ashamed.

Lol a war armistice while people build up weapons would be funny. But as I mentioned, cooperation to fight a mutual enemy doesn’t end hostilities. Look at Wrathgate for example, Orcs and Humans were fighting side by side and an element of the Forsaken tried to kill everyone.

Makes trust difficult. Did they stay focused on the Lich King? For the most part, but there were still things that stressed their relations. Certainly didn’t fix them that’s for sure.

And every expansion except three that have had incorrectly chosen forged warmonger warchiefs the factions have gotten along, minus minor skirmishes due to usually old hatreds from a then demon influenced invasion.

They shown many times over that with non-warmongers at the head they can get along just fine.

It isn’t ending it because people don’t like it, it is ending it because it makes no sense to be there anytime there isn’t a forced warmonger in the lead to force it to happen.

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