My 10 man guild has cleared Firelands since the first week or so and there are still items we have not seen at all from multiple bosses. We have 5 legendary staffs and have seen ZERO Weapons from Ragnaros. With shortened content this is becoming too punitive for players in 10 man guilds. I would like to see tier pieces no longer counted towards the 2-3 pieces you see drop on 10 man, and would even be willing to see the same done on 25 man. If that cant be done then the number of drops from end tier bosses needs to be increased by 1 on both 25 and 10. You shouldn’t go an entire tier without seeing BiS weapons/trinkets/items just because you raid 10 man.
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See this is the perfect example of why my idea for H+ dungeon catch up makes sense.
I’ll use firelands for an example to keep it relevant.
The concept was simple reward the players who constantly raid with a currency drop 1-2 per boss. This currency would allow raiders to buy gear that they may not have seen. But they would have to wait till the next phase when the vendor would be released. Blizzard could just make it easy and use the H+ currency but the raiders/players who constantly raided would have a headstart.
Why only reward the bandwagon players and ignore the players that play everyweek.
If this was added your raid group would have had a currency to help fight that bad RNG.
Do you think this would have been helpful for your guild?
Agree. Ive brought this up countless times.
It’ll be hard to continue in mop if they don’t fix this.
DS is going to be brutal for 10M with no tier from VP. With avg rng you’re looking at 15 weeks for 10M to get full 4 sets…
25M already gets 3 tier for 25 people so they have 0 problems even with bad rng
It gets a little better with bonus rolls in MOP at least. A specialization based bonus shot at an item on a boss by boss level. 3 earnable a week stackable to 10. So it helps slim down that RNG problem a good bit while also still being there.
I only bring it up because no way in hell anything actually is going to get done about it. At least until/if all the streamers start doing 10 man instead which won’t happen. Those are the only peoples feedback they really take seriously. A private discord with direct contact giving suggestions for example is just going to get more attention than the forums that are probably AI policed harder than actually read as feedback.
No they will not up 10 man loot in any means. In case you wonder, Blizz intentionally encourage ppl to run 25m in MOP/Cata by giving 10 man groups less gear per player. This was intentional.
If 10 man drops same amount of gear per person as 25 man, then all 25 man groups will be dead for obvious reasons. If you need justification for this then you are just hot-headed.
yeah it would be nice to see an increase loot drop for 10m, as it stands with next week being the last week of FL my guild will have only ever seen 1 2H weapon (the haste axe), 0 rag crowns, 1 shaman/hunter tier shoulder token (which dropped when both of them couldn’t make it and went to a pug), 1 Alysrazor caster cloak, only like 4 fire shards to upgrade trash drops.
Another reason for lfr. You’ll at least have more chances at a watered down version of the loot you will never see in normal/heroic.
Thats not what this post is about, nor what people want. I even said I would be happy if they upped drops off end raidtier bosses in both 10 and 25 man, or removing tier from the loot rolls and having it be seperate.
its okay you’ll go the whole tier without seeing sulfuras on 25 man as well
If a guild clears 25 man every week since launch and doesnt see sulfurus, I would say a GM hates someone in your guild.
Sulfuras is replaced in a couple weeks, Gurthalak is better.
remember when ppl tried to get archaeology revamped and u posted in the thread 100 times saying it was good like this because it was like this before?
i do
it seems like the 10 man loot is fine, its only broken to you
seems like ur opinion changed when it started hurting ur own guild, damn
ur an odd guy
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You are just downright trolling. The point of sulfurus isnt for the duration its kept next phase, but going into next phase with it to make dps checks easier. Why wouldnt people want to go into next phase best in slot? Thats literally the WHOLE point of continuing raiding after you down rag. Not being best in slot is just gimping you and your raid.
First off, kudos for pulling old comments. Secondly, there is a MASSIVE difference between a raid drop that requires…you know…a raid, and digging into the ground solo at 3 am drinking white claws. But please sir, continue to leave out the context of me being against it because it was a welfare epic that was obtainable prior to cata release (which never happened on the original release I might add, and that was also a point of my contention). Good attempt… C+ for effort.
My answer directly responds to your request as you are dissatisfied with not seeing some drops from your 10m raid. You mentioned this experience being “punitive” for players in 10 man, which is absolutely correct. To be precise, Blizzard incentivize players to run 25 man, which effectively “penalize” 10 man by making it drop less goods. This was intentional and fits expectation.
Applying Blizzard’s 2011 logic to 2025 is one of the most tired arguments on this forum. The game hasn’t worked that way for over a decade, when that was abadoned in WOD.
The current best design is Flex - let people go with whatever size they have, and that should be the model for classic.
in 25m still got items that have never dropped either.
My leather wrists for my rdru haven’t dropped a single time yet. We’ve only had 1 heroic jaws trinket i think.
This is factually false. 10 man heroic raiding became a thing to increase accessibility to raiding heroic content. The “punitive” nature for literally all of the game has been that 10 man drops lower Item Level. This was changed and increased to encourage accessibility to heroic raiding in both Cata and Mop. Blizzard doesnt incentivize any players to run any content whatsoever outside of the loot quality that drops. With quality being identical across 25 and 10 man the only thing left is quantity, and that quantity while annoying, worked when tiers lasted 8 months a piece. It absolutely does not work when they last 2-4 as for reasons mentioned above. It was a clear oversight that was never addressed in real time and instead has a pseudo bandaid fix with limited purchases post raid tier.
Exactly. This isnt the novel Cata that we had back then, this is a repeat for the people who liked it and the people who didnt experience it but wanted to. Im not playing Cata for the hamster wheel, thats what retail is for. Im playing Cata for nostalgia and friends. They increased the legendary staff drop rate because they knew how stupid it was for 10 mans to obtain, there wouldve been only 1-2 per 10 man raid, but didnt touch rag drops? How is it logical to have a 10 man with 5 legendary staffs but zero rag weapons.
man this sure is awkward
Again you are conflating issues here. Zin’rokh was mistakenly released pre cata and people were upset that they couldnt obtain the item even after pouring hundreds of hours into it…solo. That has nothing to do with 10 man loot quantity issues. Im not asking for a welfare handout like you were. Im asking for tier to be taken off the loot counter so that regular items can drop in its place thus giving slightly better RNG. What I am not asking for is access to next tiers raid weapons before that tier even comes out because I can dig holes in the ground. You can still try harder though, I welcome it. It makes me blush when you go that far back through my chat history! Someone was clearly jaded!
people knew going into cata that 10 man loot was the way it was, unlucky
I understand you’re upset, but at the moment blizzard clearly agrees with me since they have not changed it and are unlikely to change it
you are asking for additional items that didn’t exist originally more or less, you are asking to trade items that you don’t have a need for, for better ones, that sound’s pretty welfareish to me, infact you are even trying to use a previous hand out (legendary staves) as a reason that you should be getting heroic rag weapons for free
