I used to be a raider, but for various reasons now I’m just a casual mount, mog, and pet collector. I skipped most of BFA and the end of Legion, and resubbed with the main intent of going back and soloing or duoing the things I missed. My husband only wants to do the old raids, so he hasn’t been playing.
Since I can’t, I’ve been doing the heck out of the new Shadowlands content.
But I’m burning out on it. I need to relax and go back to the old raids. I want to run those with my husband. My daughter and I have been doing island expeditions and they’re still taking just as long to do. I thought by now we’d be mowing over them.
I’ll still do Shadowlands, but I need that old raid run relaxation. I want to mow over island expeditions! Blizzard please fix your scaling!
Just been farming Dunegorger Kraulok for the mount. My level 50 toons are having a much easier time than my level 60’s. One of my 60’s actually died. What on earth?! This is broken.
This is why they locked tons of people in the 6-month sub with the transmog deal. They knew people will leave. Watch the subs drop after their time runs out.
In BfA, this scaling issue only incentivized me to lock my Horde main at 111, play through the Horde campaign, and then level after the fact, so the campaign wouldn’t grow continually harder.
In Shadowlands, the crippling effects of scaling plus the difficulty in getting gear has kept me from leveling any characters but my Alliance main, period.
Ion is the real WoW killer.
Let me help you with what’s going on: 50 is a greater number than 60.
I work for Blizzard, trust me, I know maths.
Bellular covered the scaling being broken in his video today.
https://youtu.be/2nsjGkfUdIg
He is someone who has direct contacts at Blizzard too. He is usually excessively pro-Blizzard too. It might be indirect acknowledgement, but it is acknowledgement.
He actually said “it’s broken” in those words, lol.
This makes me so happy I could cry.
Whether or not I like bellular or agree with him on things is irrelevant as I am relieved that this means the issue is getting massive exposure and for that I am so so so grateful.
Blizzard just LOVE to sweep things under the rug. Our posts and threads are easy to ignore, but social media is not. YAY TY Bellular for bringing awareness to this!!!
And to all those who were trying to defend blizzard or say this was ‘normal’ or wait for gear or whatever argument, WATCH IT AND WEEP! 
I wonder what that troll abotou that I put on ignore for 1 year would think about this lol
Ok, I finally got to 60, ilvl 137. I decided to do some testing while I was doing my daily activities.
World quests on Zandalar and Kul Tiras: Fine, no issues noted. Mobs seemed like tissue paper and could almost never hit me, when they did it tickled.
Nazjatar: Mobs are still significantly weaker than me…they are a bit stronger than the main islands, but not a lot, and I can pull a room full of elites with no problem. Still doing significantly more damage than my 50 is.
Mechagon: This place is BUSTED. It takes my 60 longer to kill things than my level 50. Mobs are scaling to have 60 stats, even though their level says 50. Other mobs, are outright scaling up to 60. If I had to guess, I’d say ZERO testing has been done, and they haven’t even looked at this place since 9.0 came out. This should be placed on the “urgent bugs” pile https://i.imgur.com/ZMPj8uC.jpg
I’m going to try to do normal Antorus when I’m done with Mechagon, and I’ll report my findings.
Very much this, I enjoy lvling to get stronger. Not to go back and supposedly equip the trash gear to do said old content. Should not need to gear for certain expacs, only the expac that is current content.
This kinda worries me too… a lot.
Welp…Antorus is not going well. Antoran High Command is not soloable. The stacking debuff takes me down in less than 10 seconds once it gets to 10 stacks or so. The taunt swap debuff takes me down in about the same time. You’re supposed to enter a pod to clear your stacks, but that makes the boss bug out and reset. So that’s the answer: Legion content is apparently not going to be soloable. The legacy buff DOES appear to be in effect, as least as far as my damage, but it is not mitigating damage from incoming dots or debuffs, so any bosses that have dots basically can’t be soloed. With 8 stacks of the taunt swap debuff, the boss white hits for 10% of my health.
My record is 70%, I’ve made 6 attempts. At this point, once I finish my BFA pathfinder, I’m just going to unsub until all the scaling is fixed. Right now Mione is probably the only one in the world that could solo this. I guess I’ll check back around patch 9.1 and see if it’s any better. If it’s not then I won’t return.
So a summary of the issues:
Mechagon is busted. Stats on every mob are scaling to 60. Most mobs still show level 50 but they have “hidden” level 60 stats. Some mobs (like the ones in my example) outright show 60.
Legacy buff is in effect for Legion content…but while it is making normal damage almost nonexistant, it is not affecting dots. Dots and debuffs tick for their full amount.
Yes, the legacy buff is there and doing something, but I also think a major problem is the scaling of the boss’ health itself.
Let’s take M Goroth. Here’s a video of a prot war soloing him in 8.2.5 (pre-corruption):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARjkDzZuYqQ
Notice how goroth has 8.51 million health, and the tank had 540k health. Again, this is in 8.2.5. Goroth has somewhere around 16x the health as the tank, in 8.2.5.
Fast forward to 9.0.2 . I can walk in there as a tank with 48k health. Guess how much Goroth has? 3m. He has somewhere around 63x the health of a geared 60 today.
In shorter terms: Goroth has 4x as much health today as he did in 8.2.5. He’s a damage sponge now, and the player power absolutely went backwards.
Blizzard either needs to up the legacy buff, fix the health scaling, or both.
I’m gonna say both. This obviously had NO testing done. Their statement was that player power won’t change. So 4=63?
“We’re going to set Legion raid bosses to 3/8 of their previous health…and we’re going to set player health to 1/40th of what it was. Yeah, that’s equal. Player power preserved!”
(I’m pretty sure I had 800k+ as a tank in 8.3 and went down to around 20k after the squish, which is where I’m getting that 1/40th from).
Yeah…it’s like they misplaced a decimal point somewhere and we’re 10x weaker than we should be in some old content. Which is understandable with this type of change, but this is something that should’ve been fixed in beta when it was reported.
Of course there is no QA staff anymore…all fired to celebrate their best year ever.
I have a feeling subs are about to fall off a cliff, FAR faster than they did in BFA. My server has already gone from medium to low (it was medium all throughout Legion, and even BFA).
Well…I just downed Antoran High Command on LFR. JUST BARELY. By the skin of my teeth. I don’t see possibly soloing that on higher difficulties.
There is WAY WAY WAY WAY too much damage going out to a level 60 in these raids. Damage from dots is not being affected by the legacy buff at all.
I warned you all months ago.
Call me chicken little no more!
lets talk welfare gear then shall we, the great vault is welfare gear by using your same logic
I tried to solo a mythic legion raid yesterday and was not able to kill Guldan or rather the shade of illidan that follows him. I wasn’t killing him fast enough and the parasite debuff killed me but really, for 2 expansions ago, I should have been hitting that boss a lot harder. Whatever. Who cares anymore.