The blowback to the “we want original AV” crowd from the “no changes 1.12 AV crowd” is akin to the “wall of no” crowd to the original drive to get classic in the first place.
I have no dog in this hunt; but I just found it ironic. It’s like some post-revolutionary conflict; the insurgents won, established an independent republic, then turned on each other.
I lean more towards the 1.6 version, but I’m not gonna lose my mind either way ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
I don’t really see why there is a conflict. It’s the same thing with raid tiers. Over the coarse of Vanilla they were changed. As long as the changes are limited to what was done DURRING vanilla and follow a similar path, then they want the same thing. Artificially forcing 1.12 AV earlier in the life cycle would be the real change.
Crbg is the biggest problem.
In AV you’ll see half your team botting just sitting in the cave or just walking elsewhere to stand around for free honor.
You can’t report everyone, 0 server reputation for afk. No one cares, it’ll kill community.
right click report as much as u can… I dont tolerate AFKers and report everybody in the bottom half of the map that I dont see moving -shrug-
If you noticed there isnt even as much layering anger as there is over trying to solve the AV Problem atm.
What is so surprising? Original AV is one of the biggest reasons people wanted a classic WoW in the first place.
I wager the bulk of those carrying water for blizzard on this are obvious trolls. Nobody turned on each other. The wall of no posters simply changed tactic to championing every bad decision blizzard makes.
The concept that the group espousing the status quo would disagree with the group espousing changes does not equate to “Wall of No”.
Until we see the same long comment posted in every forum, its just arguing.
Conversely, the concept that “We annoyed them enough and got Vanilla, so if we keep annoying them we’ll get AV 1.5” is basically a child learning to be a brat.
The 1.12.1 tourists are upset because 1.5 AV would make it more difficult to farm reputation (which would make it more difficult to farm their welfare epics like TuF)
Once PvP system is changed into something reasonable, I don’t think there’d be a reason for anyone to be upset anymore for bringing in 1.5 AV.
Afterall, if you want to play 15 minute AV’s, you can always go play live.
I think the whole thing is silly. 1.5 or 1.12, either way player tactics will stay the same. If pserver players can manage to skip all the PvE in their 1.5ish AV, I think it is safe to say Classic players will do the same. We are no longer noobs and our tactics evolved, the days of epic AV battles are a thing of the past.
It’s Blizzard’s product. They can rebuild it however they want. If the say, “1.12 is the most complete version of Classic” and they stick to that. Then at least they are being consistent.
Blizzard stated from the start we were playing patch 1.12. I don’t see how this is a surprise to anyone.
That went out the window when they decided to release the raid tiers in phases instead of all at once as it would be if they strictly stuck to a 1.12. Most private servers ran 1.12 because they had a definite limit on how many people they had to operate the server. As blizzard is going through the development process for this, they are showing it is a learning experience for them. Since they do have the possible funds and workforce it is than our job to work with them to make the best possible experience for the entire life of a game. We don’t know what their limits are so all we can do is make suggestions and hope they consider them.
Some people were not aware of exactly what version of AV was in 1.12, clearly. To be fair, it’s been ten years for most people, only remembering that ‘the old version of AV is gone,’ and thinking that Classic will, of course, have, ‘the old version of AV with it.’
Obviously, Classic will have a version of older AV available. Being surprised that people are surprised just kind of indicates you expect everyone to be highly invested in researching everything they’re interested in around their busy lives, which is pretty unrealistic. <.<
That said, those saying that everyone should just back off because Blizz has said something: that’s not how feedback works.
This.
People who where grossly incompetent or actively working to sabotage bgs in server only bgs earned a server wide reputation for being the degenerate trash they where and suffered social consequences as a result.
On beta I -invariably- witnessed a Horde going out of his way to cap snow fall gy every single game either out of almost impressive ineptitude (how can they not learn after 14 full years?), or (and significantly more likely) willfull trolling.
People DO NOT care with any remote blanket of anonymity protecting them from social consequence…
Regarding versions… I’ve supported earlier versions of av than what we’re getting because I think it offered something unique to the game that has not been since replicated in that it actually made you feel like part of the wc3 type war. It was slower, but significantly more epic feeling.
As far as some people’s comments/concerns (in other threads related to av of late) about how they needed to keep this version because of marks of honor where the epic version would be too slow… Let me just shut that down right now… Getting rep in av isn’t the problem. It’s by far the fastest rep bg in the game. I had a toon halfway to revered in just the weekend… And earned a total of maybe 20 tokens… So getting your rep off of tokens is barely a drop in the bucket.
The thing you should worry about, is that the fastest win (courtesy of snowfall capping morons) was about 3 hours and I got like 1890 honor for it.
It takes something ludicrous like 650,000 honor a week to even attempt to make rank 14 (that was what my server’s very brief honor unions artifically lowered it to be, during the very few weeks they controlled the only team pushing… Every other point in time that wouldn’t have even gotten you to 13) …
The point is, av is already in 1.12 entirely terrible from an honor farming perspective and the only people that are going to be there are people farming rep or who actually want to play av. And in that case it more than stands to reason that the only way to keep that bg going is by giving people the version that was actually fun, and that actually memorably contrasted with the modern game.
Well the situation has hypocritical written all over it. Blizzard has stated they only have the data for 1.12 and a little before.
No-changers wanted absolutely “No changes” and they pretty much got it where gameplay is concerned. Now the hypocrisy comes in when those same No-changers now want Blizzard to “attempt to recreate” an earlier version of AV.
Either you believe Blizzard when they say they don’t have the data and accept 1.12 AV as it is, or you retract your No-change ways and ask them politely to do the same and convince them to rebuild an earlier AV to the best of their ability.
It’s also hypocritical in the sense that there’s people who want Blizzard to try to recreate an earlier version of AV and at the same time claim they don’t trust Blizzard to make changes or develop new Classic inspired content.
People probably should have been 99% “No changes” and 1% “let’s leave ourselves a bit of room, just incase”.
Wake up guys.
If 1.12 AV stay like this, it’s just gonna be a zerg rush to the boss.
Because boss are already easily killed on the BETA with level 58 + crappy gear.
It’s gonna be the most efficient way to farm honor + Mark of Honor. And players won’t bridle themselves, they’ll just rush instead of fight in a long Alterac…
Removing access to instances and items does not mix versions. It’s still 1.12.
Now if Blizzard used older versions of items or instances it’d be a different story.
You see this as some kind of war or battle?
Battles have back and forths. This doesn’t. Its been 1.12 AV from the starts and its never budged.