Do you have problem with getting in your experience and gear appropriate groups?
I see on your WoW profile (public data, no addons) :
Gear ilvl 380
Completed a M+5 and some +2
From this data, you should be doing something in range +2 - +4. These groups rarely (if ever) look at RIO. I donât see how RIO affects you.
And no, Blizzard wonât break this addon as they added recently APIs for it to work even better. And all of this information is already visible on your WoW profile. So worst case :
People use .IO because dungeons are hard, and you canât replace anyone once the keystone is put in. If you inadvertently pick up someone who doesnât know what they are doing, then your run is ruined.
.IO exists because prescreening is so much more important in M+. Whereas for raids itâs really not so important because you can replace people who underperform.
While I donât use the add-on myself as I run everything with my guild, I will refute your suggestion about using a toonâs ilvl as the deciding factor. It is easy to get the ilvl with so many avenues to gearing, however is not easy to get skill.
My guild has had to pug a time or two and we usually pick the higher ilvl people and 75% of the time, their skill does not equal their ilvl.
The best quote Iâve read from someone about raider io was something like this:
âRun your own key without raider io. It should be easy to find people that donât want to use it. Best case scenario, you make some new friends who like to do keys without it. Wort case scenario you realize why everyone uses raider ioâ
I know why IO exists, I use it myself. What I mean is that with the ridiculous amount of loot there are now toons walking around with an inflated Ilvl. Whereas in the past iLvl could give you some small indication of skill, that is not the case atm. OP was complaining about how ilvl used to mean something so I was responding to that.
Ilvl could never do this. Since the gameâs release there have been people walking around in PvP gear they got from AFKing battlegrounds with zero PvE experience.
Before .io, anyone who was serious about getting skilled players checked logs. Before M+ though it was wasnât very important, if you had someone underperforming you could just replace them. The reason .io is necessary is because of the nature of M+ itself, itâs got nothing to do with the ease of gearing.
Why would anyone ever want to level a playing field for the bad players?
That right there shows how ridiculous your reasoning is.
Iâm also not interested in âshowing someone the ropesâ in a 10+ key run. If youâre doing 10+ key runs, you should already know how the dungeon goes and how to play your class. 10+ isnât that tough, but allowing âbadsâ is a great way to ruin a key run.
Someoneâs memory is bad⌠or they havenât actually been playing that long. No one was inviting someone with PvP gear because it had PvP stats, not PvE stats.
Getting CE doesnât mean you know what to do in a +18. Knowing how to play your class is about 30% of being able to do well in M+.
My guild is just a semi casual 2 day guild but we get CE most raid tiers and we have people who are absolutely clueless in M+ but do well in raid progression.
I misspoke in my first comment. Ilvl didnât even exist back then. My point was: Gear used to be an indicator of content someone has experienced, it no longer is.
Not really, 5 man is significantly easier. Playing a Rogue, DH, Monk is also a complete face roll in those dungeons. Try to app to a +10 as a Warlock and get back to me, even at my ilvl it takes 30+ minutes to get a group. Itâs a terrible system.
I also like how the only people defending IO is a circle jerk of melee classes, lol Iâm dead.
I love how people are Elitist because they want to play with people who can pull their weight when they put their own key on the line⌠Make you own group⌠why is this concept so foreign to people on this forum???
Iâm obviously not explaining myself properly. I am not stating why IO is useful. I am responding to the OP. Itâs cool. I could sit and type a wall of text to try to explain what I was trying to say but the truth is that itâs not worth it lol.
You can still inspect someone now to see where their gear from, that hasnât changed. If a person somehow got to 400 ilvl with only gear from warfronts and WQ titanforges then inspecting them can tell you thatâŚjust as you would have had to inspect someone to see if they were wearing welfare PvP gear previously.
So again, ilvl has never been a good indicator of skill.