What is this weird idea of calling 3D remastering fundamentally different from 2D remasting? You have to remake models to increase their resolution, just as you have to remake sprites to increase their resolution. The amount of work can be different but one is no more a remaster than the other.
Pure graphics remasters are usually not $30 and that along with false promises is where Reforged faltered the most.
The difference is they literally changed the models. If you look on Stacraft Remastered, the game looks exactly the same as the original, but with everything in higher resolution. If you look on Reforged, you’ll see that everything is changed with new models, models that look different than original ones (the same for textures and effects). Yes, it’s still a remaster, but “it’s a bit more than a remaster” for this reason. And yes, for sure the amount of work is way bigger in here.
https:// www.youtube. com/watch?v=Ja0T4ZhXpVM (remove spaces)
Compare it with this one:
https:// www.youtube. com/watch?v=K-aheWJE3D0 (remove spaces)
A lot of 3D remasters are more expensive than 2D remasters. Look at Call of Duty Modern Warfare Remaster, it’s still 40 dollars/euros after almost 3 years since release. Borderlands Game of the Year Enhanced is 30 dollars/euros and the differences compared to the original game are way smaller in there.
I’m curious how expensive Age of Empires 3 Definitive Edition will be.
They remade from scratch thousands of models and textures in this game. Compare this price with a skin in a game like Fornite that costs 15 dollars/euros.
Remastering with a different graphic style is not more of a remaster than doing it using the same style. It’s just a different approach that appeals to different people. Also just because you do a different design does not mean that it is more work. Doing the same old WC3 appearance would have also involved completely new models because the old ones are hilarious low polygon count. You would have as many polygons on the face of a new model as on the entire old one.
Are those games pure graphics remasters? Meaning that they updated graphics and effects but otherwise only removed a feature or two? If so then I would say that they too are too expensive for what they offer. I won’t even comment on the value proposition of f2p game cosmetics because if that is the bar that you set then there is no hope for you.
As I said, it’s a remaster and I agree with that, I didn’t contradict this fact. I only put in quotes “more than a remaster” to be more like a metaphor meaning that they changed the elements in the game, they remade a lot of cutscenes with new ones, they remade that intro cinematic.
I gave Borderlands as example because that’s how a remaster usually is. The difference is way smaller, only the resolution of some textures is increased, as it can be seen in here: https:// www.youtube. com/watch?v=Ju0l40sDX5M … and the pricing is similar (I think that was even more expensive on launch than now).
Remasters like Warcraft 3 Reforged are not seen too often on the market, they did a lot of work on the graphics.
About the pricing, I gave that as example to compare the prices, even if it’s a bit of an extreme example. You can find the same prices on games that cost money, and yes, only a simple skin (model) is priced like that. So, yes, I don’t find $30 too much for thousands of those + two expansions + the classical game included.
I’m not saying the game is perfect or something like that. It’s missing for sure the competitive part and we know they will add that. Yes, some can complain about this, but if you’ll look in the past, all the Blizzard games were launched without competitive (Warcraft 3, Starcraft 2, Overwatch, Starcraft Remastered), and about none of those games people didn’t complain so much about this. They usually do this to give a chance to the new players to learn the game, or to the players that didn’t play that game for a long time.
play aoe2 then
Order yourself.
Play then the excellent game Warcraft 3 Reforged… I mean Refunded.
Yeah cannot compare one RTS to another because its 2D blablabla… not to mention the other laughable excuses with DrSuperGood came up to divert the thread. Fair enough cannot reason with purists.
Agreed with everything you said.
I can only repeat myself.
Futhermore if they do not give what they promised or at least part of it, Warcraft 3 Reforged will be one of the most known and biggest failure in the gaming industry in the 2020 years decade.
And I doubt that will happen. Blizzard is out of touch they still think it is 2010 when their reputation was good.
i ended up buying aoe2:de because reforged is so bad that I cant bring myself to play my favorite game anymore, but still really love the genre. At least theres at least 1 decent rts that still has players out there. Most of the ones I like are super dead. $#@! Blizzard for killing this game.
They treated it like a one night stand who lied about protection, let’s not kid ourselves or be generous here.
Worse than that, Ocelot.
Reforged is Blizzard’s new replacement for WC3.
It’s not a one-night stand, they literally left the good one for a bad one because it was visually more attractive and they couldn’t see all the baggage that’d come with it… or they could but didn’t care.
Man I just bought AoE2 DE. Didn’t have that much fun in ages! (pun intended)
I had some bad stuttering but that went completely away after enabling vsync in game. I can even run the Ultra HD graphics pack at 60 fps silk smooth all times after the patch.
The new campaingns are very well done. Didn’t try MP yet but to be fair some people are having disconnects.
Try playing with Bulgarians. Their unique unit is a mounted knight with a flail that continues fighting on foot if he his dropped off his horse. Sold! 
LOL, nope; “real” problem is a thing: lying, deceitful, greedy arseholes is another. Glad I refunded.
i also just played a round of aoe 2 de and i was blown away by the amount of gameflow polish that went into the game compared to older versions. its just the little things like autofarms, worker count per resource display, trebuchet packing when out of range to get into range and auto deploy, visual hints towards what you can afford, better action queuing, multiplayer tutorial with buildorders etc and ingame hotkeys.
thats the kind of stuff reforged needed aswell. some players will cry about making the game “too easy”, but thats just feedback to filter out. aoe 2 and wc3 are still plenty hard by design. making the game less clunky and more accessible for new players should have been one of the top priorities.
its kinda futile to talk about that now tho since no1 priority for blizz was putting that garbage out before financial report and i dont see any patches or announcements for anaheim.
if blizz doesnt do anything for anaheim we can render the game dead for good.