Exactly, what part of this screams “Hey we are gonna change the gameplay and go back on the fact that we were going to support backwards compatibility with WC3 Classic!”? Answer: No where.
The link I previously linked to does indeed speak about the upgrades not only in regards to the modernized match making, game lobbies, and countless other improvements to the base engine. Certain areas of the game will be different from WC3 classic such as the BNET integration, the updated UI, and the story mode being remastered. This is not going to be the same game from a standard view, it will be different, but it’s core functionality is what keeps it as the original game therefor allowing for the support to play with WC3 Classic players in a competitive environment.
''So yes, the graphics and campaign are still being reimagined, but just less than 2018 demo. ‘’
Yeah and that is the reason of the madness in the forum, the people don’t wanna DOWNGRADE because a few nostalgic people can’t run the new wc3 in max setting.
Also the interview of WH
‘’ WH: So, a question about gameplay; you said a thing about laser focus on recreating Warcraft 3 experience, but we’ve had a lot of improvements in StarCraft, like select all units, that weren’t in Warcraft 3. Will those make an appearance in reforged or?
MS: I think those are going to be the kinds of things that we’re going to have a lot of dialogue on, because as we saw in StarCraft Remastered, a lot of it was "this is what makes the game great, this is how it is, we accept it, it works, don’t break it, it’s the same, don’t break it. " And so with WC3, we’ve already reached out a bit to the high-level players, who’ve been playing all this time. They’re receptive to balance changes. That’s different from full-on gameplay, so it’s still up in the air. ‘’
basically they are THINKING about change the gameplay, is not final the decision to make the same gameplay as wc3.
basically you write what you want.
wc3 frozen throne is dead, there is no competitive environment, even sc1 remastered which HAVE competitive environment have a forum. There are only a few guys can live about wc3, sc1 still is a lot bigger than that dead game.
Everyone is playing the reforged and not frozen throne accept it.
I see you keep quoting stuff from the marketing website.
Quote me where does it say that they will change pathing, upkeep and such? Things that actually made the game unique.
And don’t reply with your “COMPLETE REIMAGINING” which is your idiotic interpretation excuse for a remake. They said it’s built in the same engine for crying out loud. You think that will change pathing? You deserve to pay the stupid tax. Because you must have flying horses in your head or something by thinking this was ever intended to be a totally different game.
Any changes to WC3 Reforged will also be required to make to WC3 Classic. That is why they are having a lot of dialogue on this subject with high level players. They don’t want to make any changes that either change it beyond what WC3 represents, but they also want to make sure that these changes would work well with WC3 Classic as well because they have been making changes to the core engine to support playing with WC3 Reforged.
So yes, these changes may happen, but these changes that you guys are speaking about won’t require any delays and won’t be chosen by us. THOSE changes are being made by those who know the game inside and out. Those who have played WC3 for a long time and care deeply about the game. And yes they state they will take our opinion into consideration, but this is one of those times when I wish they will keep to the professionals and deep dives into the pros and cons of these changes rather than blindly following the mass’ decision on the subject.
Any changes like these will not just affect WC3 Reforged, but also WC3 Classic.
That is the issue. You guys are talking about changing WC3 Reforged, but the changes you are talking about will change WC3 Classic as well. In that sense I am 100% a purist. I don’t think they should modify a pre-existing classic such as WC3 in such a way. I still play WC3 instead of SC2 because those limitations make it more interesting in terms of what can be done and the strategies that can take place.
Marketing means the way they are advertising their game. With words, that some very intelligent people interpret the wrong way and then go on a rampage on the forums.
Oh yeah? And how do you change both? JUST go back to the old engine from 2002 and JUST draw things like textures to fit the new ones on reforged? Go back and change the pathing in Classic ? That wouldn’t be Classic anymore would it? Man you must be such a good game dev, why don’t you start your own business in the industry?
Nope, stop be a lier.
The strategies and what you can do is limited by the old engine, in sc2 you can do a lot of crazy stuff that in warcraft 3 is IMPOSSIBLE.
The only reason for like it, is because you are very bad player and your micro is very bad, so your opponent can just in front of your face and just dance.
Wc3 is more SLOW and the micro cap is very low due to the limitation of gameplay.
Why are you talk about textures? we are talk about gameplay, not graphics.
I know why you can’t understand what they mean in the website, basically they sell a remake as remastered and you are ok with that, lol.
My biggest complaint with reforged is to get 100% unit distinction in normal zoomed out mode. Color contrasts & saturation, unit sizing, terrain adjustments, ally colors, ect.
Feel a bit too much emphasis has gone into zoomed in mode for campaign peeps (looks amazing), and not quite enough attention has been put into how the game is normally played. Delayed or not…I just hope Bliz acknowledges that unit distinction is in need of improvement.
They say it clearly - balance changes are what to expect, but that is still different from different from full-on game gameplay changes.
As for being up in the air - yes that was up in the air in 2018 when they were still deciding whether or not to change it. We are now in 2019 beta and gameplay has not changed. Beta is not when you implement huge changes to fundamental gameplay, it is when you fine-tune existing gameplay. The fundamental gameplay systems like upkeep and 12 unit selection are not still in discussion if the game is in beta with those systems intact.
It is no longer a conversation, it is a gameplay feature.
It is not realistic to expect a removal of systems in beta. If they change graphics or voices, that is content so yes they can change. Think of it like baking a cake - you can change the icing on a cake from vanilla icing to chocolate icing if you scrape it off and redo it, but but if you baked a vanilla cake you can’t just change it to chocolate cake.
Upkeep and selection limit are core ingredients, not icing on a cake.
well the problem is worst, no one here is talking about your problem.
You are the only one.
The colors get fixed a months ago and there is no plan to fix again, and they fixed the color because look a little wash, no one is talking about the contrast or ally color.
The unique thing that i don’t know what do you mean is ‘’ terrain adjustments ‘’, tons of people is talking about the poorly maps ( for example you can found only 3 different tree and the terrain is only a green thing) and his graphics, so if you talk about that i aggre.
when i said something about selection limit?
wc3 reforged doesn’t need change that. the first reason is because is slow and the cap of supply is 100.
The thing that need change is response and movement, better ia. More intelligent and not dumb like purist.
