Reign of Chaos - Can we ever play it as it was again?

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You can still play it. It’s here right now, totally playable. You can play though every campaign mission no problem, even today. And if you really insist on only playing version 1.0 you can go find it somewhere in the bowels of the internet, and play it. You just wont be able to go online with it, because Blizzard turned off the servers.

It’s just that simple. It’s not like it’s hard to find images of the original discs anymore, either.

You were heard by simply posting. If you didn’t want to discuss the topic and accept that not everyone necessairly would agree with every single word of it, you should have sent a feedack email to Blizzard or @ed them on social media. By posting here, you invite everyone to participate and chime in with their feelings, whether you like those feelings or not.

This was a “childhood game” for me too. The only difference is I welcomed the expansion with open arms and would rather play the game with those features instead of pre-expansion.

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It’s a public forum so despite being asked not to I am allowed to keep derailing the thread and continuing to annoy the poster because I get some enjoyment out of it. Got it.

Find someone else to harass.

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The only “derailing” that ever occured here was you complaining about me not sharing your opinion. I’ve been discussing the topic from the beginning other than answering your criticism of my posts.

I’m not here to “harass” you or anyone. Just sharing my opinions and thoughts like everyone else. But since I didn’t agree with everything you wrote, you’re treating me like some kind of enemy, branding me a troll, and accusing me of destructive intent that simply does not exist. I’m sorry you feel that way, but you are as responsible for this situation as I am.

The moderators will be the judge of whether either of us has done anything wrong. Again, it’s not your decision, it’s not my decision, it’s theirs. But as far as I’m concerned, posting opinions that don’t exactly align with yours is not derailing.

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Resuming what Tranquillity is saying in just 1 line:

“Kitty run after 3.7?”

<3

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:clap:

Hi Dryad long time :saluting_face:

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Context? 1234

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Old School Never Dies! :wink:

What do you mean?

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I mean I don’t understand the meaning of the words you quoted

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sry^^

it means

Let’s play a Run Kitty Kitty Run after this Dota 3.7 game?

Run Kitty Kitty Run was one of the most famous maps to play between a couple of Dota games or when it was too late in the night and there were not enough players to fill a Dota.

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Can we ever play it as it was again?

If you have your original disks, sure you can. Just install the game and play it.

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Want to play the mutiplayer ladder seperately to TFT.
Work on getting the portrait icons I mentioned above.

Some of us prefer the original game to TFT.

Please read the post… I am not just referring to singleplayer.

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Some of you do, yes. Most of us don’t. The whole primary reason they cut RoC mode in the first place was because it was less popular. And also because more queues divides the community and you can’t do that without enough players to support it. I understood from the beginning you weren’t just talking about single player.

As for the portrait icons, those were added back into the game in the previous patch- Both the RoC and the classic TFT icons.

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Mmm I don’t think that is the problem. They are two different games, if I want to play one I don’t want to play the other anyway. So it’s not that I would join the other queue.
You simply lose a customer.

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You don’t think it is, but it is.

They are different modes within one game. I highly doubt that every single player who liked RoC melee quit the game when it was removed. Which means they’re still part of this community and populating the queues for other modes. Which means that if they bring it back, that’s going to take some players out of the current queues. Which is the definition of a division of the community.

You’re operating under an assumption that all RoC fans are not currently playing, and that’s an assumption that can’t be proven without data that you don’t have. I do not agree.

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This is the exact problem. I don’t want to play TFT. And have no interest in learning it. I had decades to work that out before Reforged was forced upon us. Yes they lost me the day they killed RoC.

And this guy is still replying here, I have him blocked as he had nothing to add but to continue derailing this thread. So don’t feed him.
This thread has nothing to do with Reforged. And everything to do with seeing if It’s possible for us to get RoC back in working condition.

The answer will be no, but one can only hope. :clap:

I just I could lock out the guy from replying entirely. It’s pointless.

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They lost me the day they killed battlenet :slight_smile:

when he is convinced he is convinced. nothing we can do about it :wink:

No. They have been sold and used as 2 separate games. Conceptually Reforged would have been a different mode “if” it even ever worked.
RoC is RoC with its own custom games and so on. TFT is TFT.

Wondering why in ALL other games, take GuildWars for example, you can still connect to the single server left that has been left in an almost completely bug-free state where you can still meet very old players that gather in the most remote part of the game and peacefully play.

It was really hard to keep a single battlenet server alive just to advertise RoC games isn’t it? How mindblowing is it?
Oh sorry… if I’m busy playing RoC I don’t need to buy Reforged and join a queue of a game I don’t want to play :slight_smile:
You know, there are still people who like to choose what to play instead of being pushed to waste time with stupid game like Reforged, which is not an “upgrade”, not a “remaster”, not a “mode”, it’s just an outrageously stupid way to try to grind some money abysmally underextimating the bare minimum intelligent a human being called “customer” may have.

So I guess, the point of this thread is:
Can we have such server? Even if it is a dual core hidden into the almighty and omniscient blizzard game designer director semi-god’s cousin’s basement.
5k ping just to put up a game name in the old bnet. It’s fine.
Lock the maximum numbers of games. It’s fine.
But then, when the game starts, all this gently provided architecture steps aside, just like once did, and let people enjoy the game, as it has always been.

A perfect metaphor:
If you always had a your table reserved at Da Michele, you don’t want to start queing at Mac Donald’s.

It’s a matter of taste… (and self respect).

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No. They aren’t two seperate games. TFT is an expansion. It’s still the same #&*$ game.
Custom games in ROC still work in TFT. They’re compatible. No one has ever treated expansions as seperate games, because they require the base game and they were also planned to begin with.
They also essentially stopped selling the base game and replaced it with the battle chest when TFT came out. This means essentially everyone who bought the game after that has both.

This is a horrendus metaphor. If you want to go with food, it’s like the difference between a quarter pounder with cheese and a bacon quarter pounder with cheese. It’s the same damn thing with more stuff in it.

Not even near “all” other games keep the old when the new comes. And in your examples, yeah, it’s ONE server for the handful of people relative to the majority that want to wear their rose tinted glasses. Even WoW classic, which does have quite a few players, is still dwarfed by the latest version. Usually ppl only stick with the old version if the new one is universally panned.

Look, I understand some people like the old things, It’s often the case for me too, I always tend to like the unpopular things that get removed. But in this case, I can’t agree that we’re missing much. TFT was and is better in every conceivable way, there’s really nothing that makes RoC better. It wasn’t any better balanced, there were fewer strategic options, to me it boils down to: More is better than less.

But it doesn’t really matter how much you or I like it, What blizzard is willing to do is all that matters. And they specifically removed it with the release of Reforged citing low usage. Since they made that call, it’s very unlikely they’ll bring it back.

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Not true, Dota RoC doesn’t work on TFT. Just an example…

You don’t even know what Da Michele is, but anyway, leave it…

The problem is:

If you say that there was low usage, it is perfectly understandable that for a indie company for example keeping the costs of running a game server may impact their its finances. So you may end up giving away the server code for free to the community to host their own games or say sorry we can’t keep up with the prices, we shut down the game, it has been fun, thanks to all.
So on a scale:
1 give the servers for free
2 shut down everything
3 sell to china to ruin everything with bugs and transactions
4 (new blizzard level) come up with an awful scam to ask people to pay 40 times the actual value of the game they owned to play something that barely resemble what they had before.

So in that case it would have been nice to say “with reforged we shut down the roc server”. That is the reality, but hey… we expected too much…

For many people RoC was better than TFT. So what?
Just a simple example? TFT additional graphics were an eye sore compared to RoC. Does it matter much? Of course not if you just like the mechanics, but it’s just an example.

Now, if there was even 1 player of RoC left, they should have let a server running just for what they achieved with RoC. It doesn’t cost anything to let a game advertiser server running. It just showed how cheap they have become. There is no excuse about it.

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Yes this exactly. RoC was the better game imo.
I have no interest in Reforged whatsoever. But I would love to play RoC again.
With Battle.net back, play some of the old custom games and the like.
I used to play RoC for hundreds of hours a year. All the way up until the final days.

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I think you don’t know what my point was. TFT is ROC plus more.

This argument is often made “oh bliz is a big company so they can afford it, where an indie might not.”

Unfortunately, corporations are beholden to their shareholders, so they can’t keep things that are costing them money, even if they don’t cost that much, because ultimately it affects their bottom line and corporations have an obligation to minimize costs when possible. Further, keeping unused modes and features complicates QA because everything has to be tested and verified with those old modes/things in addition to all the newer ones. This is among the reasons why Dominion and Twisted Treeline (my favorite modes) were removed from League of Legends. They would have to test all 150-200 champions with each map with every patch and also every new champion that comes out for compatibility, particularly since these other maps featured unique animations and such, which also means development time became longer for each champion (Hero) due to the need to create these extra animations for every new champion.

Long story short, these modes were removed because they couldn’t justify they extra work and costs to Tencent (who owns Riot Games) to keep these modes that only a few people were playing, even though fewer players meant fewer game servers needed. And while I do resent them for removing these things (and it has affected how much I play their game), I understand why they did so.

Now, if there was even 1 player of RoC left,

Anyway, No. They can’t leave it running for one person, or ten people. I think you don’t have any idea how much that would cost relative to the number of people (whom have only paid a one time cost btw) using it.

I don’t want anyone to lose their favorite parts of any game, but decisions have to be made, and decisions were made, ultimately due to an unfavorable cost-benefit analysis.

Team Free For All mode (2 v 2 v 2 v 2 melee), which debuted in RoC, was also removed, quite early on in fact, due to lack of popularity. I want this back too, but no amount of forum posts from me is going to change that either.