Do you understand the time frame and resources it takes to do what op asked?
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SighâŚHow many times it has to be said that EVEN with with their ORIGINAL plan, the campaigns would have been 99% EXACT SAME as the original ones!
ALL you would have gotten was new voice acting and just FEW new cutcenes/extra dialogue for Sylvanas and Jaina mainlyâŚthats itâŚ
NO extra missions were promised at ANY point, NO hugely amount of added in lore, you would have gotten almost EXACTLY the same experience anyway! The main thing that would have âenhancedâ the experience would have been entirely remade ingame cutscenes and thats something that NO-ONE here was against, they simply scrapped those plans because it was too much work in the timeframe that they had, even though they are not directly admitting it.
So there you have itâŚstop freaking kidding yourself with your delusions thinking that you would have gotten âbrand newâ experienceâŚyou would not have, the game even with their most ambitious plans would have been mostly exactly the same as it was in 2002-2003, just with prettier graphics and new unit models.
If you want NEW content, then keep asking Reforged team/Blizzard to add ENTIRELY new campaings for Reforged at some point or better yet, keep asking them to finally make Warcraft IV and return Warcraft back to its RTS roots.
But Reforged was NEVER supposed to be complete remake of Warcraft III, more of remaster, cause even if they had re-made the voice acting and remade all ingame cutscenes, the missions/maps and story would have still been mostly exactly the same as they were 16-17 years ago.
Im ALL in for entirely new campaings, I just dont see ANY point tinkering the old ones too much. And Im also all in for Blizzard delaying the campaings in order to remake those cutscenes, but I sadly doubt that they would be given the time or resources to do that even if Reforged team would want to.
I simply want the announcement made during Blizzcom 2018.
A Triller was shown to the public, even a Demo was shown on Blizzcom.
I am not asking for the campaign at launch, I am asking that the development not be abandoned.
You cannot deny that something quite different from the final product was sold to people.
I understand the plaintiff in time and resources so I ask that work be continued after the launch In order to meet the expectations of the public
On W4 it is not necessary to leave WOW to have a W4 there are many stories that can be told with the RTS format, there are many books and events can even be recreated in WOW but from other points of view.
The Refojet of the campaign allowed to demonstrate what the team was capable of doing and would allow the inclusion of new campaigns in DLC mode or even expansions for W3.
By betraying the public in this way the name of the Game is stained and the confidence of much of the public has been lost.
You have to do things for old and new players.
I played W3 many years ago I loved the game but it is a product of its time I am excited to see a remake of that campaign that I loved so much if it is simply the same it is not worth it for me for that there is the original game.
Yea.
I have suggested Multiplayer and classic campaign 2019
2020-2021 reforget campaign
Everyone happy.
Iâve lived the hell of development I know how long things take.
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from what i understand they werent leaving the campaign out, they where just going to give depth to characters that where at that time generic like Sylvanas, who obviously is very important lore wise, the purge of the city mission looks great and less generic than before.
In terms of history it was, but the most important cut is the cinematic between missions,Improving the interpretive quality of the campaign is really important.
the new scenes like the fight between Arthas and Anasterian that are not part of the lore but that are important things have also been lost.
The third-person camera was good in its time but in 2019-2020 it is obsolete.
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I think you didnât bud
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You would be one of the that didnât mind it being pushed back to 2020 after having pre ordered a year back.
What? No they donât.
Link your source, please.
Ummmm⌠Grammar?
Hey 
, you again 
When did they said that? Especially â99%â. Or is that just your interpretation?
Please, feel free to link it. 
Yes. And this is a thing, I/we really want to see/hear! Itâs okay if you love the old voices. But in that way, you prevent new voices of beIng added and new dialogues also.
And thinking of that is so bad⌠every other country (as far as I know - I can only really refer to France, Italy and especially Germany ) got a complete new voiceover.
So only the new english voices preventing everything (sounds a bit drastic 
).
Maybe they adding them later as an optional feature.
Yes, youâre right. But they still said that it could be possibly added in a later patch.
Yes. Thats a great thing. Problem is, that Blizzard said, no one wants it. And thats simply wrong!
The shown in-game cutscenes in 2018 from Stratholme was awesome!
And this was also a reason I personally preordered the game. I really think it would be a huge mistake if they only add the boring camera angle thing from classic Warcraft III.
And further more, the Cinematics⌠I donât think it will be looking great to watch Thrall and Grom walking with these strange glowing red eyesâŚ? even in HD. They need also need a complete remake!
Yes, that would be nice.
But remember, they need new voiceovers for this. And if you want to keep the old ones at all costs⌠there will be nothing with our known heroes. Maybe someone from WoW 
I totally agree with you. The things shown in the beta are far from done. But there is still the speculated fact, that the beta is not a true representation of the actual level of development. I wonder⌠if I want to sell a game⌠and I want to impress people, especially to buy my game.
Why would I only show a very outdated version of the game, which is far far away from the original project?
Any ideas?
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Well to answer your first question, just from the fact that they said there would be only FEW new dialogue bits/extended cutscenes for Jaina and Sylvanas. the 99% is not something they said, but Christie Golden made it very clear that what they planned to add in the story was NOTHING major as there obviously were not even going to be any new missions. So thats why Im saying that in terms of story, the experience would have been almost exactly the same as in the original campaigns. Again if people really want to see new Warcraft stuff in RTS form, they should keep requesting new campaigns to be added into Reforged or have them create Warcraft IVâŚthat would be so much better than waste resources on tinkering the old/original campaigns, aside from what they are doing now.
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People have been asking for that for almost 2 decades. I think that ship has sailed.
I donât necessarily agree with this either. I mean I see people that keep saying this, but what should they work on and use that money for then? Melee? Well how much does that really take? Melee only ever needs balancing, so this doesnât make any sense and is a comment used by the âif you donât play MP then your opinion and what you want means nothing.â crowd to gatekeep and be elitist. Putting work into the campaign was never going to hurt the other aspects of the game.
What I mean that all that work in that they would have put into ârepairingâ something that doesnt need fixing in the first place and instead creating âFounding of Durotarâ kind of mini-bonus campaign for exampleâŚwith new voice acting, new cutscenes and all that.
And as for Warcraft IV, the ship has not sailed as long as people keep asking for it and as soon as WoW come to its end (which is bound to happen sooner or later) then the chances of Warcraft IV happening would grow significantly. Ofc if Activision-Blizzard deems there is not enough demand for another Warcraft RTS game, they would put Blizzard to work something else entirely and leave Warcraft to rot even should WoW come to its end, but you never knowâŚ
But I mean we all want new content right? Then lets keep demanding Blizzard to CREATE entirely new content instead of just settling for remastering/remaking the old onesâŚHonestly the ONLY new things you would have gotten even with their original plan was WoWâs voice actors to replace the original voice actors and only a few added in dialogue/extended cutscenes here and there for Jaina and SylvanasâŚthats hardly new content in the first place, so if you REALLY want new content, you should keep demanding those entirely new campaigns to Reforged or Warcraft IV.
If you dont demand something, then its damn freaking sure you wont ever get it. And if you would just settle for tuning the old campaings instead of entirely new ones, then I would argue you would be sending Blizzard the wrong message in first placeâŚ
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I donât agree here at all. There are plenty of lines that couldâve used a good tweak as they are poorly done and cheesy as hell. Also why couldnât we have both? We couldâve had the reforged campaign and then later DLCs for the campaign. Letâs be honest here. We arenât getting anything extra like the Founding of Durotar at launch anyway so that point is actually kind of moot.
Not very likely. I donât see WoW going down any time soon and going by what Iâve seen here most arenât going to want what WC4 would even be and that would be a continuation from WoW and not from TFT. So I highly doubt WC4 will ever come. Hell even the team that would actually be working on it are already talking about a StarCraft 3, so I wouldnât hold my breath for Warcraft 4.
Can I just clear this up with you?
They never planned new cinematics.
They planned new in-game cutscenes.
Cutscene and cinematic are entirely different.
In-game cutscenes are what they were showing off in 2018 Stratholme with new camera angles and Arthas gestures etc.
Cinematic would be the fight with Grom/Thrall vs Mannoroth.
So essentially you are still getting 4+ hours of in-game cutscenes as advertised on the website.
As every cutscene will be using new models, new map, new camera angles etc.
Only not as drastic as originally shown.
By that I would take it to mean less emphasis on zooming in so much etc and more akin to the original.
Like what for example you find âcheesyâ? Give me some examples what in your opinion would need fixing, cause I honestly cant think of any and Ive played Warcraft IIIâs campaigns dozens of times through. Also likely or not, but re-recording Warcraft III ENTIRELY would not have been cheap process, nor remaking its cutscenes entirely, which is the much more likely reason both were scrapped in the first place. Ofc same goes even more so for even mini-campaigns, but if you ask me again putting effort, time and money to create something new instead of fixing the old campaigns would be much more convenient for ALL of us.
Again I never said it was very likely even without WoW , but I know that as long as WoW is around the chances of WC IV happening are even more slim than ever getting Half-Life 3. And I also didnt say when WoW would come to its end, but as Sylvanas said âNOTHING lastsââŚthis includes WoW that is sooner or later coming to its, whether that happens 5 or 10 years from now, I dont know, but it will happen sooner or later. WoW has some very loyal fanbase that has stuck with it all these years, but that fanbase has in my understanding slowly been shrinking with each passing year, not really increasing even though we dont have exact statistics about subscription numbers anymore from Blizzard.
So when that time comes that WoW comes to its end, its likely that even Starcraft III has come and goneâŚwhat then?
Cracks me up when people say âIM CANCELLING MY PREORDERâ because they donât like the beta 
have no clue about the full release and to cancel your preorders over a beta 
Thats right. Sadly to say this⌠but slowly they ran out of enemies. And Horde and Alliance are already (story wise) in peace.
- Shadowlands - The Death and Life beyond
- The Void Lords
- Old Gods (I donât know if the gods are actually âreallyâ dead? And there been also many characters, who surprisingly came back to life, or wasnât actually really dead)
- This Murozond - Hour of Twilight thing, what pretty sure has something to do with time travel and different timelines. And this opens many doors.
That should be all
But whats next? What could be told in a Warcraft IV?
Again a conflict between Horde and Alliance?
What about retelling old stuff? Like:
- The War of the Ancients:
Night Elf against the Burning Legion - Creation of the High Elves:
As they made their way through Lordaeron and founded Quelâthalas - The Troll Wars:
Amani against High Elves
Thats actually cool stuff, but only for two single campaigns. And I think this could be more a DLC like thing for Reforged.
Or⌠but then a really really reforged Warcraft I + II with a lot of more detailed story that it actually had.
Well we Warcraft III/RTS fans have been quite vocal about thatâŚnot that WoW players are going to like any of what we want to happenâŚ
Simply put we want to reboot the storyline one way or another from Warcraft III: TFTâŚpreferably we would want Warcraft IV to ENTIRELY scrap WoWâs events and go for alternative storyline, but we could also deal with retelling of WoWâs storyline from RTS perspective, adding stuff to its storyline that was not possible in MMO form.
The LAST thing most of us want is Warcraft IV to be continuation to WoW, simply because
- we hate/despise what WoW has done to the characters and the lore
2)While many of us are vaguely familiar whats been going on in WoW all these years, many of us have not played it in years and thus are more or less lost in the fine detailsâŚnot that we actually care because of the 1) reason.
Thus the biggest slap in the face Blizzard could give to us is having WC IV pick up wherever World of Warcraft would end. Thats the LAST thing we would want to happen.
But how realistic it is that Blizzard would actually listen to us and actually take the story back to the end of WC3: TFT and create alternative timeline or retell WoWâs events from RTS perspective? For sure I have my doubts that they would, but if they would listen what most Warcraft RTS/Warcraft III fans would want, then that is what we want. It would also give Blizzard entirely free hands to re-create the story as they see fit, but ofc I understand that this in return would then piss off those WoW fans who might be willing to give Warcraft in RTS format a chance, but do not want WoWâs storyline to be scrapped or its events retoldâŚ
Simply put whatever Blizzard would one day decide to do with Warcraft IV (if they ever decide to make it in first place), then they have to make the decision that will either way piss of lot of people. And perhaps thats one of the reasons why its unlikely that we would ever see Warcraft IV in the first place.
Yes, youâre right. I will correct that.
Yes, I know. And this is my problem. I liked it very much. And I still think this is a bad idea if they wonât do it like shown in Stratholme. It was perfect!