You brought it up, not me. Grom’s motive was to fight the humans to get revenge for capturing him, then he was put into a position where he had no choice but to seek the fel power to defeat Cenarius.
Nothing questionable about that at all.
Triceron don’t forget that Mephistroth has VERY selective reading skills and a short memory span.
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Grom knows well the dangers of the demon curse. He literally saw Mannaroth in person. He took up the offer a second time despite everyone in the audience crying out ‘DON’T DO IT’.
He should have a hatred for Mannoroth. But he didn’t hate him. That is what makes his motivation questionable.
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More like I can tell that Triceron is making a pitiful attempt to de-rail the argument and I’m trying to get it back on track.
Speaking of derailing.
You ever figure out how humans become warlocks yet?
He was forced to make a quick decision, die and fail Thrall or live at the risk of losing freedom.
His decision was logically the best thing to do at the time.
Dude, you acknowledge that she does not act anything like she does in ROC and admit there is a difference.
Now you are making an argument against me bringing up that very same point, except you choose to nitpick very choice words I made about her death.
I was making a case to agree with you that Sylvanas is not acting the same in TFT as she was in ROC. This is a clear case where you take apart everything i say because you don’t agree with the way I talk and respect you, it’s simple as that.
I mean honestly you say I argue you on all terms but you’re the one who quoted me, and I’m the one explaining my point. You’re the one putting words in my mouth and then turning around to blame me.
I honestly don’t even know what you are arguing.
Oh a change of topic already?
Ok then, glad you finally realized that I was right.
Funnily enough your entire argument can be argued by one of Balnazzar’s quotes “Her heart is still elven, she will never side with us”.
And what does that have to do with anything?
Are you literally arguing semantics for the sake of being right? I honestly don’t care if ‘her heart is Elven’ because none of that actually comes up in TFT. She doesn’t actually do anything ‘Elven’ in her campaign at all. The point of the Dreadlords saying that is to show the audience how they totally misread the Banshee Dark Ranger-ified Sylvanas who doesn’t care about the living any more.
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It’s a round-about way of saying “she may be undead but deep down she is still a high elf, I.E the same person as in ROC”
Do you agree then?
She is the same person as she was in ROC, in the way she acts and leads her people?
She is the same person she was in ROC, yes.
So would you say because she is the same person as we saw in ROC, that we have no reason to assume any of her motives in TFT because we know ‘this is how Elves act’?
So to put it into perspective - Her reason for wanting to stay in Lordaeron is clearly explained because she is an Elf. No room for any other assumptions.
That’s some really dumb logic… Lordaeron is a human nation, not an elven nation, she has no business there.
Right, she has no business there.
Her only business there was for revenge. That is the only explained reason we ever got for her being in Lordaeron.
So why does she take over Lordaeron? We don’t know. Ergo; we had to assume she had some unexplained motivation to stay in Lordaeron to take over because nothing else made sense and nothing was actually explained in TFT about it.
If it was because she felt like freeing the Lordaeron Forsaken from the Dreadlords and Scourge because she is now a Freedom FIghter, that would be assumed.
If it’s because Dreadlords urged her to become leader, then that is assumed.
If it’s because some Old God whispered in her ear and made her do it, that would be assumed.
we don’t actually know because it was never actually expplained
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You are so dense… you completely forgot my entire explanation didn’t you? I explained this ages ago in the thread, go back to that explanation.
I’m sick of having to repeat myself time and time again with you.
Your explanation is an assumption. Again, learn the english language and teach yourself the meaning of an assumption. That is what you have.
You do not have the canon explanation for why she stayed in Lordaeron. There are no canonical explanations that support your explanation. You have nothing but your own headcanon supporting it, which is why i continually refute it.
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I know the feeling. Except instead of me to Triceron it’s me to you because you constantly forget my previous posts or just don’t read the most recent ones properly.
Varimathras was influencing her to do it of course. He forced her to get involved.
That’s your new BS excuse huh? Go do something else with your life if you have nothing to say.
Right, which is an assumption.
xhttps://www.engadget.com/2007/03/07/know-your-lore-sylvanas-windrunner/
Here is an article about it. Nowhere does it say Varimathras forced her.
Sylvanas declined and decided to get a leg up on the Dreadlords by creating an army of her own.
IF someone else can legitimately interpret the events differently because there was no clear explanation of events, then what we have are assumptions about her motivations.