What’s Warcraft 4? I know they made a World of Warcraft game after Warcraft 3 and now they’re doing a Warcraft 3 remake called Reforged.
And you have the old campaign 100% intact for it.
But you can’t ignore that Blizzard will be integrating modern updates (in whatever form) into Reforged. Hey, I’m not completely happy about it either, but I’m not gonna be ignorant about it and pretend WC4 is gonna fix this mess and ignore 20 years of WoW lore. There’s no way they would do that considering the typical Modern Warcraft fan is a WoW player.
I’m an OLDSCHOOL Warcraft fan from the WC2 era and WC3 changed everything I loved about the original Humans vs Orcs setup. Thrall and the honourable Orcs is something that never sat right with me, but that’s what the Horde is today and we can’t change it back to the Orc-Ogre-Amani faction that I much rather prefer. WC3 retconned how Doomhammer usurped control, how he was willing to use dirty tactics and kill Lothar in a most dishonourable way, how WC2 left the Orcs in the most dispicable light because it was in their nature and not because of some ‘demonic blood curse’. WC2 had the purest form of the Horde, and WC3 decidedly turned them all into shamanistic Klingons.
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If they change Warcraft 3’s story in reforged to line up with WOW, you can bet they’ll just make Warcraft 4’s story the same as WOW if they make it, just swapping the player characters with Rhonin or something dumb like that.
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Guys he keeps referring to a Warcraft 4, anyone know what he’s talking about?
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The potential future of this series. Something all Warcraft fans should care about.
But what if I want the same exact map but with the new models? Why can’t that be a thing?
TBH I’ve always fought for a different take of WC4 than most people have here.
Yes, WoW spits on WC3. But WC3 spits on WC2. And WC2 spits on WC1. That’s how Warcraft lore has always been.
WC2’s version of events - Orcs won and Humans had to leave. Not what you expect if you played the Humans campaign and expected it to be the canon outcome.
WC3 - Orcs were always honourable, you just didn’t know it! Blood curse! Lethargy and internment camps! Yeah right, like the WC2 Humans would have left any single Orc alive after what they did to Lothar.
WoW- Let’s split the world in half to Alliance and Horde, yay!
WC4 - ???
Well, what can WC4 do? Treat all of prior Warcraft history as history and tell its own story. I’d say don’t even revisit any of the WoW heroes except for a few key characters that may still be alive. Guess what other game did this? Yep, WC3. Who came back from WC2? Uther and Ner’zhul, in vastly different characterizations from what we remembered in WC2.
So yeah, if they bring back Rhonin for whatever reason, then he’d be a completely different Rhonin than what we ever knew in WoW. Blizz doesn’t have a strong track record of maintaining the personality of characters through each series. You already noted this plenty with Sylvanas.
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I think you can find my reply to you later… A fair warning though it is not nice, so I’m saying this now… Sorry…
Also WC 4 is quite unlikely because of the RTS game being not popular enough to give them a huge amount return of investment…
Making another parallel Warcraft universe wil be soooo confusing… So please don’t, just make it one only, it has flaws yes, but what can you say, it’s inevitable…
That’s why I recommended for the game to have a option to switch from Classic to Updated Campaign mode… So that we can enjoy the best of both worlds…
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It is possible that there will be an option to toggle between old and new graphics akin to StarCraft: Remastered (where pressing “F5” switched between the original and remastered graphics at will). This may not be possible, however, due to the complications of toggling between a sprite and 3D-based engine. However, it is intended that players will be able to switch between the different graphical settings, even if it’s not instant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYhLcnbX4FM
With that in mind as well as the fact that there’s cross-play and slaps you with a Warcraft 3 CD key. I’m going to make an absolutely absurd impossibly off the wall guess that both versions of the campaigns will be available with the new art.
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Then that would cause even more problems… like what if we want the original art?
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What if blizzard gives this option? (something I bet it will happen!)
War3 maps are fully compatible with Reforged.
Just keep in mind that the War3 player is also, for the most part, a WoW player.
And many others who have never played war3 (but have played WoW for years) will now play Reforged.
If an RTS game is not popular enough to give a huge return of investment, why in the hell are they making Warcraft 3 reforged!?
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Warcraft 1 and 2 had no story outside mission briefings and the manuals, they also had multiple endings. Warcraft 3 had lots of story and just 1 ending. You can easily continue from that 1 ending without retconning anything.
Chinese players and WoW players. This game tps into the potential markets that had never played WC3 and now have a reason to for purposes of catching up lore from the height of its potential - the story of the Lich King.
That’s practically the one and only reason why this game is being remade and not just getting a SC:R literal Remaster.
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So are you just being a numbskull on purpose now, or what? You legitimately just asked me how to play Warcraft 3, that game you’ve been playing for 16 years.
Why would WOW players jump to reforged just because of story changes? Why does the story even need to change to bring WOW fans in? None of what you are saying remotely makes sense, it’s way too generalized and inaccurate. Marketing sells games, not changing the story.
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So basically you can’t play online if you want the original art… that sounds fair… not. Also sounds like a massive hassle having to turn patches on and off… they should leave the original game alone…
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Yeah they should’ve just released Reign of Chaos on July 23rd, 2002 and never patched it.
Then when Frozen Throne came out on July 1st, 2003 they should have never patched it again either.
EDIT: In fact, Blizzard is a bunch of hack frauds. Why did they even make an expansion for Warcraft 3 in the first place?!
It didn’t have one ending. It had many open thread points all over the world.
There was no ending for Kael’thas and the Blood Elves - they just lost a battle at Northrend. What is the inevitable outcome? Would they all be turned into Darkfallen? Would he escape and redeem himself? Would he damn his people and turn them towards joining another faction like the Horde?
You can posit that the game should have had a different outcome, but just the same we might have had a potentially worse one like Arthas-Jaina’s baby becoming Luke Skywalker.
This is no different than you waiving away WC2 lore. Yeah, because it was obvious that because it had 2 endings, Orcs were definitely going to be honourable demon-corrupted race that wanted to take back its shamanistic roots, right? WC2 had a story to it. Alterac betrays the Alliance, Lothar is ambushed during a diplomatic mission, Gul’dan betrays the Horde. These are strong story beats no matter which ending became canonically true. WC3 undermined much of it by having its interment camps ending, which only served to paint the Orcs in a better light through the lethargy and paint the humans in a bad one with an abusive nature we’d never seen before.
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There’s patches to fix a game and then there’s patches to ruin a game… big difference.
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Yeah but they’re remaking parts of the campaign to fix the lore for the whole series.
hurrdurr checkmate i got u
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Yes there were things we didn’t know about… but there were certainly things we knew about and those could have lead to something. Arthas became the Lich King, this is certain.
Still a Warcraft 4 could tell us what happened to Kael’thas, did he die? If so is he with Arthas now as an undead?
Fix lore that doesn’t need fixing?
More like breaking the lore… but that wouldn’t be the first time would it?
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Again dude, 25 year old series with entries across all sorts of media. There’s a lot of context you’re choosing to be stubborn and ignorant about.
Hard to break lore you own, write, and dictate what’s canon and what isn’t.
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