I invited some friends to play 4vs4 AT on BNET and we were not able to find any game over days. Looking at the Leaderboard, it became clear why we were not able to find games at all. There are way to few teams playing 4vs4, so it’s basically not possible to have a 4vs4 AT anymore.
In my opinion, this is very sad, and 4vs4 AT should be able to find 4vs4 RT again. I know the struggle that it’s hard for the RT team, but it should still be possible to play 4vs4 AT. Am I correct or am I right?
Well they changed it because RTs were tired of getting stomped by ATs. For them, it was un-fun enough that they would rather wait longer than play obviously unfair matches.
Yea, same on 3v3 AT. We are searching for a game for 15 mins now and can not find any. There are 35 teams in 4v4 and 530 teams in 3v3, what are the chances for 4v4 AT to find a game if there are only 35 teams in the whole game and on 3v3 from 530 teams there are 500 teams that played max 10 games in two months since release of patch 2.0. I know its unfair for RT to play against AT but how often does RT come up against AT anyway??? They need to change this fast because its “unplayeble” right now
I will explain how often they go against each other—70% of the time. Just like Captain and I have told everyone: for AT and RT to work, Blizzard needs to make it so that RT has a slight advantage. For example, an AT with 3500 MMR should face a random team with 4000 MMR.
You and your friends can’t be that selfish, lol. I’m sure you laugh at how noobish people are. And when you tell each other, ‘OMG, I didn’t lose a single unit, I’m so good,’ etc. – is that the fun part? Or what exactly is the fun part? I don’t get it.
Yo Sprenter,
what do you mean by saying they go against each other in 70% of the time. I think the point miman7 is trying to make is that if you are searching on your own/solely, it’s not very likely that you face an AT team as there are so few AT teams searching anyway.
Further, I am really playing with total noobs and to play 4vs4 as an AT we had to play W3Champions which wasn’t fun at all as the level of play is too high there for my friends. Also, we are not playing 4vs4 AT on BNET to show everyone how good we are and that we are not loosing a single unit. We just want to enjoy the game and it is very sad that we cannot do this as a team. However, I see your point to introduce handicaps for the AT teams, but to be honest I don’t think that Blizzard will program this kind of stuff.
Yea, I dont know for the rest but we rearly played against AT in 3v3 and thats mainly because there are not enough AT teams. I dont mind to play against AT only but the problem is that we cant find a single game, today we were searching for 30 minutes and didnt find any game and that is a big problem. I agree there should be a bigger mmr gap if AT came against RT like you said Sprenter and that is the best solution as far as I see it but maybe I am wrong…
This is just sad now. In last two days and over 1 hour of searching for a single game we managed to play 2 game. We tried few times a day to find a game. I dont know if they read this but they should do something about it as soon as possible…
Well if they put this back, the forums will be flooded with complaints of unfair matches with ATs vs randoms. So the community is going to have to decide whether it’s better to have less wait times or fairer matches.
Less waiting times are way more reasonable in my opinion because if waiting times get to high, there is the danger of whole teams not playing at all and quitting the game.
Further, there are so few RT players facing AT teams, so I don’t think that this would make such a big difference respectively would be such a big deal for RT players…
Well, I would already be glad if Blizzard reads and thinks about this at all.
Either option has a big downside, but the unviability of previously thriving game modes is clearly worse than occasional unfair matchups. Several AT players I know have already stopped playing.
If it were up to me I would bring back AT vs RT with some or all of the following conditions:
The RT team cannot have a player that hasn’t finished their 5 placement matches
The RT team cannot have a player under a certain MMR (perhaps 3000)
An RT player cannot match same AT team more than once per time period (1 hour?)
AT teams prioritize matching other AT teams, if the option is there
Remove MMR display upon load and !stats options in-game to curb defeatism
I think all your conditions make sense and I would be fine with even more conditions to play AT again but I am always unsure if Blizzard introduces these kinds of conditions because they are focusing on bigger/more imporant topics.
Let’s see and hope that this gets attention at some point of time.
It makes no sense. If you’re talking about Shiva, every single thing he said makes no sense, my friend. The only thing that makes sense is that AT vs RT will work if RT has a slight advantage, assuming the MMR system works well. So, AT should face an RT with a higher MMR, maybe 500 MMR more or something like that. That’s the only way it would work. It doesn’t make sense if you do it any other way.
How would you argue that all the conditions Shiva mentioned make no sense? For example condition 4? There is nothing negative about it. The only condition that is questionnable to me is condition 5 as I am not sure how much this would help.
There are many meaningful opportunities in my opinion. I also agree to your proposal which could be seen as another respectively the main condition. I don’t care how many conditions there are, I just want to play 4vs4 AT again.
My friend, what he says is wrong. Why should it be like that when it could be better, like what Shiva is suggesting? You can’t have new features, and you can’t have this or that, when it could be much simpler. Just give RT a slight advantage in MMR—maybe 500 more than AT or something like that. It’s much simpler to implement.
But people don’t want RT to have an advantage; they just want it to be easy, so they can get free wins. then It’s better to have it the way Shiva is suggesting. Also, it would be cool to flex your stats or tell your friends on Discord, like ‘LOL, I didn’t lose a single unit.’ Because it’s still an easy win if you team up and are online talking in Discord.
So, stop coming up with the idea that Shiva’s thing is good. If you think it’s good, then I just don’t get your point about playing AT vs RT. If you’re just killing noobs and winning all the time, watching your stats go up and the ladder climb, it makes people’s narcissism kick in. ‘Look, I’m rank 10 on the ladder, I’m the best!’ Flexing to your old friends on Discord, etc. So no, please, don’t follow what Shiva is asking for.
No, I’m not directing this at you, or unless you are one of those people. I’m talking about people in general who want to play against RT or think Shiva’s suggestion is good, when you have my suggestion that makes 100% sense.
Easy, my friend. Just do it like I’ve told you, and nobody can complain.
Allowing AT vs. RT again is a very bad idea. It made many RT players instantaneously leave matches, because they were aware of how heavy it was abused back then. I already explained the formerly widespread abuse method in another thread:
The only reason I have an issue with this particular point is without this information we cannot verify if the system is working as intended. I’d move for other issues with the matching system to be provably addressed first before something like this happens.
If the matching system worked better there would be less “defeatism” anyway, even knowing the MMRs.
Tonight we played against first AT team on leaderboard. Not only did we played once but 4 times in a row because there are no AT teams that play and then people are saying they should not allow AT against RT… AT is unplayeble for 60% of teams. Two days ago we played 3 times in a row against some team that has 0-12 score and thats not fair for them too. They need to make a change fast.
Why isn’t that fair? It is AT vs. AT!
No one ever said that AT teams have to be on the same skill level all the time. That’s something that isn’t the case in any ladder anyway. There are always stronger and weaker opponents.
What you actually want, by allowing AT vs. RT, are matches between 4 guys in a pre-made team (who “know” each other) crashing 4 guys who randomly got put together in the second and who have no clue about their teammates. Well, yea, that sounds pretty fair…NOT!
Not to mention the frequent leavers, TKs, full-noobs, grievers, etc. on RT teams…
I stand with what I posted earlier: If there is no moderation on Bnet, then going back to AT vs. RT would be a really bad idea. The past has proven that I am right.
