Proscene doesnt show that. I guess youre a liar.
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Hence why i proposed that force fields should take more bile hits to kill. Idt Ravagers are OP vs Terran but they are low key OP vs Protoss.
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Wdym Protoss are doing much better ? Unless you’re hiding under a rock thinking this is HOTS where protoss was better than Zerg. Every single metric out there indicates that PvZ to be extremely Zerg favored. Every pro caster has said and criticized PvZ for being Zerg favored and a snooze fest to watch. Look at the winrates for ZvP across 2020 in Premier tournaments and compare that to PvT or TvZ. Or the countless times where a protoss gets crushed in a B07 series against Zerg in the last 2 years. The numbers speak for themselves and every protoss out there has a good reason to balance whine PvZ because it is ridiculous to say that PvZ is fine.
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Wrong again. Protoss are doing better than Zergs. Serral and Reynor are so far beyond everyone in the foreign scene so it tricks people like you into thinking Protoss is weak.
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Korea/Standings
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Circuit/Standings
No, Serral and Reynor are so far beyond everyone worldwide
Hell Serral took spot 11 in the standings for Korea lol.
Dark slumped. Thats the only difference this season. Dark, Rogue, Reynor, Serral continue to dominate. For Terran you have Cure, TY, Maru, and Inno.
For Toss you have… Stats?.. Zest?
Im not saying it is all balance. Classic did leave. But to say that Toss is doing so well is a bit dishonest.
Edit: Altough I dont favor SoO, I will also say he should be higher. Winning TSL 5 was likely the hardest tournament of the year considering all the top foreigners there espeically with the ping factor. Yet he only got 250 points. Just goes to show how tournament points are misleading.
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Well you have 6 Protoss before the next Zerg after Reynor. So if those Protoss players aren’t doing well then Zergs other than Serral and Reynor are doing complete a$$.
In Europe? Yeah pretty much. Elazer fell off hard. And Korea is facing military talent drain for all three races. So far Protoss is hardest hit but its coming for the others. SoO is leaving. I think maybe Inno soon too? More to come for Protoss. Stats very soon. Zest very soon. Parting pretty soon too.
Lol first 3 are zerg.you forgot korea liquipedia. net/starcraft2/ Premier_Tournaments. (Remove the space)
70% win tournement last year wwre zerg. Even if you remove raynor and serral they have more win. :). Just make the game fair and stop being bias.
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Whats funny is even if you remove serral and raynor zerg won more than terran and protoss.
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Tournament wins are the dumbest measure of balance. Literally tells you nothing.
It’s hard to say Protoss is too weak in PvZ when you don’t see lesser Zergs beat top Protoss players. Reynor beating Drogo and MaxPax has nothing to do with balance… Rogue beating a poorly performing Stats has nothing to do with balance.
I get that “Protoss doesn’t win tournaments” but when you look at the actual games, when do you see an obviously superior Protoss, that plays genuinely better than Zerg, lose the match? The answer is never. When we see this happen regularly, then we can discuss imbalance… but in the current state of things the better player seems to be winning almost all the time.
You see the difference between me and you is even if I am a terran player I want to see prottoss have a fighting chance vs your race. I’m not blind by my gaming race.
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You took bad Protoss players. Even the best Protoss players struggle vs tier 2zerg player. Are you telling me zerg are just better gamer? Each year? If so I did a major in math and stats for no reason because the chance of that will be 1 in a million .
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Watch Trap vs. Solar. Trap is definitely better than Solar. Honestly, Im surprised he won game 1. Solar threw that game hard. The only reason Trap won was because he played near flawlessly and Solar let him get huge drone damage and then a moved into his fortress of a third base. Trap still almost lost and was even in supply and economy when Solar gg’d.
Stats losing to Rogue was just a showcase of how bad Stargate openers have become.
Maybe its balanced. Maybe. But that balance is 100% contingent upon some form of adept opening. Which, if balanced (not saying it is or isnt) is still an awful place for the match up.
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At the end of the day, I’m not asking much a buff on sentry. 35-40energy for a force field. Or a other buff on the sentry.
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That has nothing to do with my point of tournament wins being a dumb measure of balance.
Tell me why the 1 player who wins a tournament represents the race.
It’s not 1 player. Like he said, even if you take Serral out of the equation, Zerg dominated last year. And are still doing extemely well this year. And of course Toss isnt winning **** but they are making it to finals at least.
But to be clear, there have been many patches since then. Lets see how the meta develops.
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I just said explain why winning tournaments is relevant to balance. Why doesn’t the rest of the tournament matter?
But in order to make a meaningful discussion we all Protoss/Zerg/Terrans first should agree (without exceptions) on what to accept as reasonable metrics.
We continuously derail due to the fact that somebody inserts an arbitrary metrics that temporarily favors his race.
Case in point: the number of People in GM, what next? The distribution in Masters/Dia/Plat?
This lack of a widely-acceted metrics accounts for 80% of the bad-faith arguments from all races.
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There isn’t a single metric because balance can have varying impacts on the game, but I can say with 100% certainty that tournament wins is the most useless measure of balance.
Imo the best way to see how well pros are performing is by literally looking at how pros are performing
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Circuit/Standings
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Korea/Standings
This shows the situation perfectly. Serral and Reynor dominate the foreign scene and other Zergs are performing poorly. Rogue has done very well this year in Korea and again, other Zergs performed poorly.