I don’t feel like it’s worth it. No Zagara is a HUGE nerf, Zagara upgrades throughout leveling have no effect, and additionally the entirety of the first bracket levelup bonuses have no effect. No infested drop, no hydralisks. It’s a considerable downside, for 50 supply more units on field. As well as some free scourge, and an extra zergling per spawn (for free) I love Zagara, she’s my favorite commander. This just feels like the motor was pulled from the engine. Zagara and her Hydras are the only hybrid aa and ag units. Wanted to get the community’s input. Maybe I’m playing this prestige wrong, but so far I don’t wike it… Having MORE zerglings doesn’t matter when they are insta spawn. You just pop more, it’s not really a benefit to have more. The scourge thing is nice, for sure, but gosh dang no Zagara is rough. Not difficult, just no real fun at all.
In reality, the amount of free stuff you get are more than enough to let you erase attack wave for free. Scourge queen is basically trading Zag to erase attack wave at no cost.
You don’t need Zag or her hydra when you are running Scourge Queen.
In my experience playing Zag, Scourge Queen is a direct upgrade to the standard Zag because the amount of free stuff you get out value whatever Zag hero offered in the baneling/scourge play style.
The extra zerglings means each ling is worth only 11 minerals, as opposed to the 15 without the prestige (when you’re building hundreds/thousands of these things, that adds up very quickly). The free scourge from the nest means you can get scourge much earlier (you don’t have to wait for hive tech and simplified genome) so they can serve as early anti air in a pinch.
50 supply isn’t normally a ton, but +100 banelings in a death wave? That’s pretty valuable. Banelings and scourge are some of the most supply efficient units after all.
To me, it just feels gutted. I really enjoy the playstyle of the Zagara commander. So scourge queen felt like I had all of my power right from the getgo. No waiting for zagara to pop out of her chrysalis. I’m on immediately pumping out zerglings like no tomorrow. The pace is absolutely insane. The free scourge are a nice touch. Makes the feeling of losing Zagara’s AA capability less impactful. Leveling tree though. With the final upgrade on Zagara being directed to a character you don’t have? Just feels like a lot of missed units. Obviously Zagara only has temporary units in the form of her abilities, But I feel like the value of her is being understated slightly. As a unit and as a focal point for her leveling tree, it really makes me feel the hole she actually leaves in her commander playstyle. The darken the skies goes to nothing. The broodmother perk in her path goes to nothing. All of that power is just gone.
I hate this topic so much lately lol.
Freaking Zagara got her whole mastery redesigned because a bunch of people who can’t play P1 complained.
About what? A perfectly fair and functional trade of Zagara for more than enough extra Ling/Bane/Scourge.
And we still have topics about how P1 is not good enough. Unfreakingbelievable.
It’s not like playing Kerrigan with a prestige that has no Kerrigan; that would be a huge nerf. The only real thing you lose with no Zagara is Frenzy. Lack of early anti-air with no Hydralisks is bit of a nuisance at worst.
The idea with prestige is that they are supposed to provide alternate playstyles with trade offs.
I appreciate your response.
Blockquote Freaking Zagara got her whole mastery redesigned because a bunch of people who can’t play P1 complained.
By no means do I want a re-redesign. I’m not asking for anything to be different. If I want Zagara, I reenable her. No change necessary. I don’t know what you’re referencing with P1 (I’m clearly ignorant to that abbreviation.) I do apologize if my experience with this prestige upset you, I was more tracking my observations and seeing what the consensus of the community is.
IMHO having a prestige that removes Zagara is a strange choice given the focus on her during the level up phase. Fully dead perks, with a final perk at 15 that is useless entirely. Trust me, they are both fine, I can easily use both. Scourge queen is just boring to play. Not very micro-intensive, as you have no units with abilities outside of corruption. No new playstyles, just more of the basic unit builds as I’ve been doing for almost 100 levels now. (I’ve fully leveled all characters so my mastery level is pretty stunted. Plus other games are fun too.)
P1 = Prestige level 1, i.e. Scourge Queen (the one that removes her hero unit.)
And she’s hardly the only prestige that has dead levels, look at Karax P2 with cannon stuff and P3 with chrono stuff.
WTF.
Zagara P1 is ridiculously powerful. It can clear maps and attack waves so fast…
Not a great comparison with Karax P2 and P3. I see where you’re coming from, but the powersets can still be funneled into something usable. Using P2? go combat unit health instead of structure health. Using P3? Spear of Adun starting energy instead of chrono.
With Zagara P1 her Powerset 1 is taken entirely out of the commander. I’m guessing the baneling damage still applies to the banelings I create. (it references them as “Zagara’s Banelings” so I’m thinking I can use that baring in mind that’s me. Even though the Zerglings aren’t referenced as “Zagara’s Zerglings”.)
Zagara P1 is honestly the strongest of her prestiges tbh. Maybe not the most fun, since it is very macro heavy, but strong.
With queens and drones usually taking up 30 supply, and about 15 supply of scourge to wipe air at all times, have a 150 supply cap means almost DOUBLE the zerglings. And zagara’s zerglings are absurdly strong. Its just a horde of zerg that shreds everything.
Early waves are trivial to deal with. A baneling nest can be built by 1:35, and the first wave of free banes ready by wave 1 on the fastest enemy rush map with the fastest enemy rush. Add to the fact they are splitter banes, and you can even use the remains to start working on ur expansion
You were talking about 1-15 leveling perks, not mastery. If you’re leveling, you dont have any mastery anyway. That’s what I meant by “dead levels” (Dungeons & Dragons/WoW term for a level where you dont get any new abilities.)
they could possibly add some normal roaches and hydralisks to zagara`s tech tree to compensate.
You were talking about 1-15 leveling perks, not mastery. If you’re leveling, you dont have any mastery anyway. That’s what I meant by “dead levels” (Dungeons & Dragons/WoW term for a level where you dont get any new abilities.) <
Having 30 dead mastery levels, yah know since you HAVE no Zagara seems like a dumb thing. Also, you have managed to respond to a message, where you only attempt to reaffirm your incorrect assumption, and you don’t reference the actual content of my comment. 90 levels of mastery and your only able to use the Ling mastery perks. That’s nonsense. So much wasted power. there’s 6 mastery options, and for scourge queen you get 2. 30 wasted mastery levels.
Okay you meant mastery levels then. Calm down.
They rearranged the mastery so that it does SOMETHING for P1 instead of nothing. That’s a clear improvement for an already very powerful prestige that didn’t need any buffs at all; you can stop crying already.
Zagara got her whole mastery redesigned because a bunch of people who can’t play P1 complained.
Hardly. She got a couple talents swapped so players can choose to focus on Zagara vs non-Zagara talents and one of them got straight buffed to include non-Zagara elements. Even without P1 I’d prefer it this way.
Scourge Queen is exceptionally strong, I feel. Zagara contributes nicely, but even with her I usually focus on army more than her. She’s nice, but I wouldn’t call her the backbone of the commander. The only problem I have with P1 is that it’s countered by a lot of AoE, but switching to Aberrations and Corruptors doesn’t feel that bad, especially when you can get 50% more of them if that’s what your up against. And you still get the free Banes and Scourge which are always nice.
It sounds like this just isn’t OP’s taste and I don’t see why that’s a problem.
Zag P1 is already OP and I’m mad that they nerfed the masteries for P0, P2, and P3 just so you can be more OP.
How about we just request them to swap Baneling and Zergling masteries so you can ultra-synergize with your AoE vs DPS synergies instead of whining at people that didn’t want 2/3 of their post-leveling experience to be gimped due to their playstyle preference.
They weren’t gimped though. P1 was already extremely strong, they didn’t need to change masteries just so people felt they got more at 15.
Their masteries were. I thought your focus was on “Re-buff X”, not “Nerf Y”. Please try not to ignore the primary point of that last post.