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Evil sometimes lurks in a darkness, but it’s everpresent.

It’s good you have fun.

Redhead is masochist : it loves being trashed by Church of Mengsk :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s an oof from me, because masochism sucks.

Still better to be a masochist than to have a fetish with Kerrigan :confused:

She didn’t kill Amon out of benevolence though, despite it being the right thing to do.

She killed him because he was a threat to all of existence. She also doesn’t care about the Xel’Naga.

She’s an anti-hero. Anti-heros can indeed do the right thing, but for different reasons than “hero” characters do.

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Ascended Kerrigan vanquishing Amon once and for all because Amon is a threat to all existence is exactly what a hero would do to save the entire universe.

I assume you are referring to the Xel’Naga’s Infinite Cycle.

No reason for Ascended Kerrigan to continue the Infinite Cycle when she’s an infinite Xel’Naga that can live for eternity.

Furthermore creating the destiny for 2 races to eventually merge as Xel’Naga could potentially cause problems like in Amon’s case as he claims that the ascension is forced upon him.

Therefore Ascended Kerrigan not continuing the Infinite Cycle is a wise decision because every being should forge their own destiny instead of creating another potential Amon who would destroy the universe on the pretext of being forced to ascend as a Xel’Naga.

Not only did Ascended Kerrigan saved the entire universe by vanquishing Amon but she also grant freedom to all living beings including the Zerg the choice to forge their own path.

So Ascended Kerrigan is definitely a hero as saving the entire universe and granting the freedom to all beings are benevolent traits.

I am just gonna say that I knew lycan would like this post before I checked.

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That’s what a hero would do, yes, but Kerrigan is, by definition, an anti-hero.

I meant the Xel’Naga species themselves, but she also doesn’t care for the Infinite Cycle. And the Xel’Naga, which Kerrigan now is, are not immortal, thus the need for their Infinite Cycle.

She’ll be insanely long-lived now, but won’t live for eternity.

More like “less of a dick compared to other alternatives since she eventually leaves the universe alone, which might have been the best thing that happened around her both in universe and metawise”.

It’s a long definition, I know.

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Imagine not using long definitions.

Sounds insane. Like this thread.

If you are implying that Ascended Kerrigan merely vanquished Amon for her own personal interest, that is untrue as Ascended Kerrigan did so with the intention to save the entire universe.

The bolded as below is the evidence that Ascended Kerrigan intended to save the entire universe by vanquishing Amon.

“Kerrigan : I see beyond the flow of space and time. All paths have led to this moment. I don’t know if I deserve redemption for what I’ve done… but our universe does. It is time to end this.“

Mission: Amon’s Fall

There’s little that Ascended Kerrigan can do about the Xel’Naga as a species since Amon killed most of his brethren.

As mentioned previously, Ascended Kerrigan has the following reasons not to continue the Infinite Cycle as follows:

  • As an Infinite Xel’Naga, Ascended Kerrigan can live for eternity and hence there isn’t a need to continue the Infinite Cycle.
  • Continuing the Infinite Cycle could potentially create rogue Xel’Naga such as Amon who would destroy the universe under the pretext of being forced to ascend as a Xel’Naga.
  • Giving freedom to all beings to forge their own destiny is the best choice instead of having destinies predetermined as it can be viewed as being forced like in Amon’s case.

While the Xel’Naga are generally not immortal, Ascended Kerrigan is an exception as her primal Zerg genetics are in a state of constant evolution which means that she would never die of old age. Therefore Ascended Kerrigan can live for eternity through her primal Zerg genes and due to her vast powers which makes her almost impossible to be killed.

Evidence bolded from HOTS Zerus 1st Mission:

“Kerrigan : But the primals feed off the essence of individuals. They’re in the state of constant evolution. They don’t die.

Izsha: Until they are killed by another primal.

Kerrigan : True. The most successful hunters among them must be incredibly ancient. And incredibly dangerous“

Apart from that, Ascended Kerrigan also did mentioned that she’s an infinite being based on the unit quote which proves her immortality.

"I am infinite“

  • Ascended Kerrigan (Xel’Naga form)

Evidence :

The first unit quote.

The second epilogue mission being named “Essence of Eternity” as Ouros was transferring his essence to Primal Kerrigan also hinted that Ascended Kerrigan would be able to live for eternity.

@Charmed Definition of antihero: a protagonist or notable figure who is conspicuously lacking in heroic qualities.

That’s from Miriam-Webster Dictionary. That’s what Kerriganconspicuously is from “Heart of the Swarm” through “Legacy of the Void.” Her motivation through these expansions is revenge, and crushing or coercing any opposition towards that goal. Her goals, however, align with the heroes goals of overthrowing a dictator and ultimately the evil force trying to destroy all.

That’s what makes her an anti-hero, despite ultimately sharing, and achieving, the same heroic goals.

For the Xel’Naga and the Infinite Cycle, your points don’t change anything in regards to the fact that she doesn’t care about the Xel’Naga species, or about their Infinite Cycle.

Ascended Kerrigan is not immortal. The Infinite Cycle was created by the Xel’Naga because they’re not immortal. Species of Purity of Form and Essence become Xel’Naga and start the cycle again. The Zerg of Purity of Essence, nothing new to the Xel’Naga or the means at which their Cycle is achieved.

Tychus let Raynor kill him.

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Better getting shot than having your organs shut down.

I don’t think we have a disagreement over the definition of an anti-hero. However Kerrigan do have heroic qualities which for some reasons you choose to ignore.

Kerrigan’s motivation of revenge also comes with the motivation to seek justice for the war crimes committed by Arcturus and this was accomplished once Kerrigan vanquished Arcturus. So since the motivation also includes upholding justice for the all other Arcturus’s victim, HOTS Kerrigan clearly displayed heroic qualities.

Evidence as bolded:

“Kerrigan : Inform the broodmothers. The Swarm moves on Korhal. At last, Mengsk will suffer for his crimes .“

Mission : After selecting your travel to Korhal

Also there is nothing wrong for Kerrigan to crush the opposition that defended Arcturus since the Tarsonis scandal is well exposed which means that those defended Arcturus are evil for supporting Arcturus’s mass murdering acts.

Apart from that, Kerrigan does not mind sacrificing herself with the intention to liberate the Dominion citizens from Arcturus’s brutal and oppressive rule which is clearly a heroic quality.

Evidence as bolded :

“Kerrigan : Even if we fall and die in this battle, we’ve already done the impossible. We’ve shattered the power of Mengsk. It will be up to the terrans to make something of the opportunity.”

Mission : After completing Death From Above

Requoted the evidence as bolded to prove that Ascended Kerrigan vanquished Amon with the intention to save the entire universe which proves Ascended Kerrigan’s heroic qualities.

“Kerrigan : I see beyond the flow of space and time. All paths have led to this moment. I don’t know if I deserve redemption for what I’ve done… but our universe does . It is time to end this.“

Mission: Amon’s Fall

Ascended Kerrigan not caring about the Infinite Cycle based on the reasons I have provided is actually beneficial to the universe which again showed her good intentions. Don’t get why you bring it up when not caring about the Infinite Cycle is actually good thing and displayed Ascended Kerrigan’s heroic qualities and wisdom.

As for whether Ascended Kerrigan cared about the Xel’Naga, this has nothing to do with whether she has heroic qualities or not since it was Amon that killed most of his brethren.

Before the emergence of Ascended Kerrigan, the Xel’Naga were indeed not immortal as they required the Infinite Cycle as a means to create the new generation of Xel’Naga once they knew that their existence would come to an end.

However since Ascended Kerrigan has primal Zerg genes unlike the rest of the Xel’Naga, this means that she’s immortal as she would be in a state of constant evolution and hence would never die of old age.

Ascended Kerrigan saying she’s infinite and the second mission named “Essence of Eternity” also proves that Ascended Kerrigan is immortal.

So since Ascended Kerrigan can live for eternity, this also means that there isn’t a need to continue the Infinite Cycle.

Cuz clearly Mengsk can tell the Zergs who is a civilian and who isn’t :confused:

That’s something he could have done before luring the Zergs on Tarsonis. He didn’t, thus he doesn’t care :stuck_out_tongue:

“Best Covert Agent is the one that can be easily detected”
-Charmed 2020.

Charmed : “Kerrigan is the most powerful Ghost that Mengsk can’t counter”
Also Charmed : “Kerrigan is easy to replace”

She expected to die :confused:

Ulnar is in the physical world. Ergo the physical form is the true form :open_mouth:

She had no memory loss when on Zerus :stuck_out_tongue:

“Drawing first Blood isn’t agressive”
-Charmed 2020

Shadow Wars shows Kerrigan with Niadra in her hand.
Charmed :

I stand by what I said :stuck_out_tongue:

“Kerrigan trashed Valerian’s lab because he regretted his actions”
-Charmed 2020

We know the planet was heavily infested before the Protoss showed up. :stuck_out_tongue:

FTFY

“Enslaving common thieves is good”
-Charmed 2020

Abathur was ready to do it, hence it is true, and even then Mengsk can be sure to expect a reinfestation.

Horner proposed to work with her, and even after she rejected them he was gentle enough to inform her about the Dominion forces on the planet :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s why they accepted to not raid the Moros.
Oh, wait…

Coherent speech is way more complex than knowledge of numbers. If you can do the former, you can do the latter.

“If you don’t obey me, I’ll kill you”
What a toxic mom :crazy_face:

If they were the agressor, they would have destroyed the Hive. Instead they left it and only killed Nafash who attacked their position :stuck_out_tongue:

Aside of where to hide and where to find essence. Kerrigan was clearly teaching her :stuck_out_tongue:

Primal Roaches are taken from the Swarm. Ergo Primal Guardians are from the Swarm.

Every Zerg Cell has every Zerg Strain. Ask Stetmann :stuck_out_tongue:

Wormholes won’t give Mutalisks the ability to destroy the shuttle fast enough before it is out of range :stuck_out_tongue:

Everything in the novel points to him still being sane enough to beg for a mercy kill. But sure, the only point that must be called into question is numbers :confused:

Everything she told them at that point was true. She has no reason to lie to them on this point :crazy_face:

Thanks for proving that Amon’s changes on the Protoss and Zerg did not render them uneligible :crazy_face:

She thinks natural means with direct intervention. She is unreliable on the nature of the X’N race :confused:

It is precise enough to tell us that Tassadar and Zeratul allied before killing Zasz :stuck_out_tongue:

Game guide has no Kerrigan PoV. Otherwise it would only tell stuff about the Zergs, not something Kerrigan wouldn’t be aware of like when or why the Protoss factions allied together :stuck_out_tongue:

I dont remember Zeratul serving in the Protoss fleet obeying the Conclave orders. Or maybe you’re talking about that Heroes Skin :stuck_out_tongue:

Meat and meat. Nice meat.

Nobody cares! (c)

Somebody loves James Boond.

Yeah, we can buy new powerful ghost in the supermarket.

Well yes, though we encounter him for just some missions.

First blood! sounds not aggressive if you play the game, not walk in the park.

I am gonna pretend I didn’t see it

Kerrigan trashed the lab because she was just like “Lmao stupid boy lemme show him the power of zerg, for no reason.”

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What’s funny is that according to the Redhead Kerrigan thought the Confederacy would be crushed long before the civilians were threatened. Cuz everyone knows the Confederacy is fond of protecting civilian.