Why Protoss is broken

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The reasons P is broken is because they do everything better than every race
They can out cheese you.
They can out macro you. (Im still trying to figure out how they out macro zerg)
They can out turtle you. (Im still trying to figure out how they out turtle terran)
They can out expand you ( do to mass shield battery forrest)
It doesnt matter if you catch them out of position. it doesnt matter if they the wrong build order.

You cannot attack into them because of storm/disrupters and shield batteries.
I even see GMs/Pros attacking around Protoss. (How is this fun again???)

They have the best air army and it not close.
Its a reason that they prefer to go straight to sky toss every match up. I guess we are supposed to beat them before they get there.

You go bio face mass splash You go mech then i.a.c. or mass expand. or mass disrupters. Its just a matter of toss picking what they want to go and gg

And for zerg. All of these option still apply. But turtling to sky toss or proxie shield shield battery forrest is the preferred method to beating Zerg.

What is anyone to do. how is this remotely fun.

Protoss being broken is the worst era SC2 has ever experienced. I cannot think of a period of time that I made a single post. and I played through the Broodlord infestor era. I watched the raven get nerfed to nothing. You name the period and that is nothing like this.

Its so bad that I’m seriously considering hanging it up. I deleted all of my other accounts and I only have this one remaining. I think its time. I think its time. Im getting back in the grove of playing my xbox. and I don’t know what to say

When the Raven was nerfed that was a nail in the coffin for terran and then the infestor was nerfed and that put a nail in the coffin for zerg.

I really like rts games. Its my go to to pass time. or at least it has been since I only had one tv…

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I think the biggest problem with Protoss is the low APM requirements to play the race. That’s the ultimate problem. 95% of the strategy in SC2 is about producing a game scenario with lots of opportunities to force the opponent into making a mistake. This is very easy for a better player who has more apm, since they can just take the game longer - the longer the game goes, the more you have to manage, and the better player accumulates a better position after a short period because he makes fewer mistakes. When you are against someone who has an equal APM budget, it comes down to strategy/decision making to force the opponent into more complex scenarios that result in a high error rate.

It doesn’t work this way for Protoss, because Protoss on average for every league have the lowest skill metrics (APM, EPM, SQ, SM, etc) of any race. It’s so bad that the average GM Protoss has APM lower than the average Masters Zerg. So in other words Protoss has a leg-up against an equally skilled opponent. They will be less likely to make mistakes in their play for the same workload. This means they can be lazier. This means they can get by with worse game understanding. This simply means the race is easier to play.

I don’t think any other design problem is a consideration. If Blizzard made Protoss REQUIRE the same amount of skill/effort as Zerg/Terran, 99% of the problems in SC2 would be gone.

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Since I’m a bad player, I can’t honestly say for anyone. But my grip so far is this.

They can out cheese you.

My main beef with Protoss atm. They force players to be honest at the same time they can be safe against dishonesty.

If Terran had supply depot nerf to 21 seconds to prevent proxy, it had to be some really bonkers s hit, since Protoss are doing proxy voidrays all the time now and it isn’t nerfed.

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You have to admire how creative protoss players are in finding a ways to lose. It’s almost like they want to show you that it is possible to lose :sweat_smile: It must be boring win by default

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Why protoss is broken?
Because you are a hardstuck 3,5k terran (230 wins and 221 losses THIS season, dude how much time you got and why you still bad? 16k games…) and you are just a 3k toss.
Toss is broken because you are unhappy with the game and with yourself. you dont see results even tho you invest a ton of time in that game. But you finally realized this game isnt for you. Just like shia realized. And its a good start.

Take a break. Its better for you and for this community as you are really not contributing much in a good way. Maybe try something else. Based on your learning curve in sc2 you could manage color by numbers in about 2 years! Go get it!

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Widowmines love protoss units, bruh. :wink:

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Yesterday, a Heromarrine on stream played against Krystianer. Krystianer did a BStalker pressure, so Gabe think he is not so far behind. Herorrine on 2 base, Krystianer on 4 fully saturated :sweat_smile: another game vs MaxPax… Heromarrine figured out Noobpax going for DT drop, he countered it very well, I think no dmg. So he went across the map, there was waiting Colossi, couple Stalkers, 1Immortal and second on the was out, some Zealots and of course, ultimate saving maschine Batteries. Against 4 Tanks, and so 70supply MMM. Not even a chance for Terran

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You toss player will be only happy, when 10/10 games on ladder will be PvP. It will be perfect balance

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I will try to go for like 4-5 ultras, 12 broodlords, 4-5 vipers, 6 infestors and rest corruptors and just try to deal with the ground forces asap and snipe the mothership + aoe the air units with parasitic bomb.

So something like a-move ultras from behind and broodlords from the side so Toss won’t just go back to cannons & SBs, then neural some carriers with shift & rapid fire (burrowed infestors) and then mainly focus on the corruptor / viper force to parasitic bomb the air fleet and destroy ms + as many carriers as possible (move in from a 3rd side to mitigate storm a bit).

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False, supply numbers are pretty even in a pvt and even sometimes T numbers are higher. And P only outmacros Z during the first 6 minutes of the game, the rest of the game Z is the one who outmacro because they can build 16 workers in a few seconds and can expand faster.

Turtling depends on the attackers strenght, you as T should have the tools before attacking.P only has cannons and batteries, T has PF,sensor towers,bunkers mines tanks and libs, the turtling strenght of T is vastly superior in defensive situations.

Those things totally matter, if they do not matter that means you did something wrong or that the position or build wasn’t that bad.You can punish hard a P that is out position, specially at your level.

HT?,EMP.
Disruptor?,ranged upgraded libs or even tanks.

T has the best air army, P air looks good because what is on the ground is what deals the real damage/zone the enemy.

Straight air not always work, in pvt is pretty bad, you can die to pressure, I can show you a replay of mine, the dude tried to turtle as you say with battery forest,cannons, HT,chargelots and voids. He lost x3 of what I lost. In pvp straight air can be punished with stalkers, but phoenix play can be played. PvZ is probably the only matchup in which straight air is a standard thing.

Not everyone plays trying to improve, I stopped playing to improve long long ago, I can play 1 million games and I won’t get better because my objective is just not getting a lot worse and just spamming games 4fun. The bad thing is that he apparently does the same but for some reason he wants to play a weird and non efficient style, that could be ok if he didn’t want to win every game, he should play like that, lose mmr until it drops to a mmr range in which his style gives him a fair winrate and keep playing hapily, because in the end, no matter what rank are you in, you will have near 50% wr.

What is being honest?, when I play T im a BS player, many times I go engy bay block, followed by drop that massacre probes and then timing and pulling the boys.Sure cheeses don’t work really good against P, but the amount of BS you can pull off with T is really high.

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Why this forum is yet dealing with this clown? Don’t you see people that the moron just spam incendiary BS with the intent of baiting people?
Just report as spam (that BS is repeated ad-nauseam here) and pass to more productive threads.

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Thats a fact… even if we look at pro players it feels like protoss pro players take less time to train and achieve same results, i dont think they are as hard training, can be seen with how inconsistent trap, stat and zest are

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As much as agreeing with Batz isn’t something I’d care to do, he does have a very good point.

Most of the constant arguments about Protoss have always revolved around the ever present skill disparity. They are way to easy to play. They don’t require much in the way of mechanical skill (hand eye coordination) to “master”. If Zerg and Terran could be played similarly, there wouldn’t be a problem. OR likewise, if Protoss has the same high skill requirement, there’s probably not be any issue either.

:man_shrugging:

Queue the Protoss Denial Army…

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:man_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming:
Whoops…my Crap-o-meter just broke. Last time it only went to the critical state after the enormities of Flack.
Crapterrans should reimburse the protoss-community for damage caused to their devices.

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It’s funny how the forum protoss crew can’t even muster an adequate argument to defend their position, it’s quite literally straight to the ad hominem.

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Nothing is more dangerous than the probe.

Think of the SCV putting that engineer job to test by creating the first barracks just to get his butt zapped. 5 damage. It isn’t about killing, but it is about to sending a message.

Probes are little devils.

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LUL, the behind (your arguments) once turned red from the first barrage of kicks (protoss counter-arguments), can’t be made more red from repeating the process.
Maybe you suffer from Dementia and your short-memory is inexistent.
After the thorough rebuttal (see the innumerable posts of Diogenes, Sentry, Collegewings, Jonus etc) what’s the point of repeating ad-nauseam the arguments?
It’s not that you are here to do a rational debate.
Scorn and ridicule is all you deserve and it is precisely what you will get.
Now, go to the nearest bathroom, relieve yourself and start a new whine-thread.
Or send a petition to Blizzard to buff your Race.
Scum!

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Sorry, I don’t see a counter argument in this mess of text that indicates why you think that it’s not true that protoss is just easier to play than zerg or terran.

:man_shrugging:

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Use the search function and find all the rebuttals that you have received those last months. I can’t suffer fools and even less smatas.s.ses that want to put the forum in an infinite loop.
Nice try.